hi rob

that's great, thanks for the reply. sorry but i'm not sure where the other number should be, could you explain where abouts it is on the pic below.

thanks eddy

On the outside of the area you picture. It is on the angle iron that is behind the rear armour plate. If you stand by the rear left sprocket and look down you should see it. It will be within the first 12" of the angle. (The angle iron is actually a T shaped piece, but the T is only in the center portion between the fenders.)

Canadian MK1 restoration
 

A comment from Canada .I am doing a MK1 3 numbers from Richies .The carrier cores in the rad are heavier than a truck rad .So if you can find an original one to repare there is not much you can do about it. The track pads are made to slide sideways on the track pins to alow for warp steering .The tracks don't actually bend when forced by the warp steering .Good luck with your toy

hi rob thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, i'll let you know how i get on when i next visit it.
hi george i'm glad you mentioned the rad cores as i'm having one made for the carrier, i'll mention the cores to the guy that's fabricating it.

thanks again

eddy

hi fella's
been a while since i did an update on the progress so i thought i'd post a few pics. as you can see she's coming along quite nicely. most of the the steel fabricating is being done by a friend and will be ready for collection from his yard next week. the major components are ready to go on the only stumbling block now is the axle as i haven't checked it out yet but if that's ok then it should be on the road soon.

eddy

Nice looking engine there.....Martyns handywork ?



Richie

hi richie

yes it is martyn's or should i say brian's handywork with regard to the engine and like mr ford said "you can have any colour you want as long as it's black "

eddy

engine and box in, oil cooler in but not piped up yet, if anyone thinks the oil cooler looks odd it's because it is made up from saracen oil cooler pipes i found in a scrap pile and the elbows are normal 22mm copper pipe fittings total cost £3 :) if i come across an original later on i'll nail that in instead. the rad has been recored and will go in next week as will the dash which has been rebiult by my father (thanks dad) and hopefully it will be running next week and moving around under it's own steam. the track warping freed up nicely with a bit of persuasion from a 14lb sledge although it needed new bearings on the cam. the steering and brake linkages are in but need connecting up and last but not least the gearbox selector shaft will need fitting and fettling, this is the bit that may cause some trouble as i've heard horror stories of the time it takes to get it setup right but you never know i might get lucky :D

some pics of my other restorations by way of an excuse as to why it's took me so long to get the carrier up and running :rolleyes

Eddy,

what voltage will you be running in the carrier? I ask as a mate of mine was forced (by me) to fit electronic ignition and it has transformed the machine.

R

Welland?
 

:thup2:Hi Eddy ....for what its worth, if and when you find out whether the unit came from this side of the Atlantic or your side of the Atlantic, please let us all know! I am sure, but not 100% sure...that I am the only MLU Forum member born and raised in Welland, Ontario Canada (about 25 minutes West from Niagara Falls) for those not familiar with the city.

I am in touch with one of the journalists from the local paper and send him little stories about Welland and/or its military past, which he gets a delight in publishing. So if the unit served with The Lincoln and Welland Regiment, I would love to pass on some info to the newspaper(s) and create a bit of a buzz!

Who knows....if it was from Welland Ontario Canada, we could start the ball rolling with the history, crew and maybe even some photos of the unit during the war years. AND maybe, just maybe....people will help take up a collection of monies to help restore it.


Now see Eddy...Mid Life Crisis isn't all that bad....it's just exciting! See what you've got to look forward to.....Very Very Good luck in your venture and stir the pot boy, stir the pot....Robert Morrison, Vancouver Canada ( formally a Welland Boy)


Rob Love....get on to this, this is good Remembrance Day material....R

robert thanks for taking an interest in the carriers history. the carrier came from john bizal in minnesota so he might know a little about it's history but i haven't asked him yet as the last year has been a bit hectic (too many tanks). i'd love to get involved and will give any assistance you need for a story on it's history and i will be restoring it to the original paint scheme and name.
as for money, you can transfer any collections to my cayman islands account :D. seriously though it's not financial help i need but what i would appreciate is help with it's history as i'd like to honour the men that fought in them. the pic below gives a better view of the name and ct number but unfortunately i can only see some of the numbers and not all but it's a start.

all the best

eddy

ps robin i'll be running a 12v system

John Bizal
 

Eddy: If you have a contact phone number, address etc. of John Bizal, I'll see if I can get a hold of him for some info. Cheers....Robert

Rick
 

Your carrier does not have its number stamped above the drivers vision slot, because it is an early one. Its T number was on a brass plate which was riveted to the front guard on the drivers side. the holes can be seen in your photos.
What fan arrangement are you planning to use?

contact
 

You can reach me thru my website at www.midwestmilitary.net or phoning from the number listed there.
John

hi lynn
i am going to use a modern electric high output fan, possibly a volvo t5 twin fan (if it fits) it's not because i don't have the original, infact i seem to pick them up all the time although i don't have the fan extension, i'm doing it because of the improved cooling and efficiency as i will be working my carrier hard as i plan to use it for range recovery work if i ever get the go ahead from the powers that be. having said that if i come across a fan extension and i'm happy with the engine temp i probably would rip out the electric fan and fit the original, we'll see.
with regard to the electric fan does anyone have any advice as to what would fit best.

hi john thanks for posting up your contact details and i'd like to also say thanks for a great carrier project and the freebies were much appreciated, although for a long time i did think the accelerator pedal cover box you threw in was a butt holder for the boys rifle until i noticed it in the parts catalogue :)

all the best

eddy

good idea about the volvo fan matey one thing i have noticed from working carriers i have seen is they are prone to heat soak issues the ventilation in the engine compartment in my humble opinion is not as good as it could be.

i would fit the fan to the back of the grille on the top of the cover (on the inside) however weather it pulls hot air and blows it out or draws cool air in would be the decision.... if you are keeping the orignial fan on too i would suggest you mount the fan to suck out the hot air from the engine bay.

if you are not using the mech fan i would mount another fan on the core itself.. when i did rally x some lads zip tied powerful fans onto the back of the rad core with great results.... that and the addition of "Water Wetter" made for good cooling solution, especially if you were sat on the grid for longer than expected.......

hi rich
i was thinking about mounting the fan on the back of the rad and fabricating a cowl so all the air is pulled through the core, as for the mechanical fan i'll probably leave that off but nothing is set in stone, just kicking a few ideas around that's all.

eddy

hi fella's
the old girl is finally running and driving but still needs some attention to the brakes and carb aswell as engine/rad armour but it's good enough to show and looks great. (from a distance on a dark night) :D.
i've just been reading back on this thread that i started last year and my on the road in 50 days statement made me laugh, more like 350 but i suppose my over optimism was due to bags of enthusiasm which is something you can never have enough of, although it can get you into a lot of trouble if you let it.

all the best

rick

Rick,

Congrats on the job done! 50 or 350, who gives, it always takes longer, even if you could spend 7 days a week on your hobby. Seems like you've have some good "finger practice" to start working on Big Armour, eh?
Keep at it mate! :thup: :cheers:

Hanno

I've done some digging in our photo archive. Here are some more Linc's carrier pics to add to the small collection that has been amassed on this thread!!!.

Outstanding work BTW Rick. If you need anymore info on carriers used by the Lincoln and Welland Regiment just drop me a line. We'll be happy to help.

Steve
Lincoln and Welland Regiment Museum

PS we currently have two running MkII carriers in our collection

Here's a couple more....

Steve

Great pics Steve, thanks for sharing

thanks for all the support and encouragement guys. i picked the carrier up a week ago from the fella that was helping to rebuild it so it's up to me now and i'm looking forward to getting stuck into it especially as i've just got back from the war and peace show which was a real baptism of fire but i learned a lot and spoke to a few other carrier owners who offered their advice and encouragement which was gratefully received, another advantage of driving it at the show was that most of the faults revealed themselves after 4 days of driving so it should be sorted for the next show in mid august :thup2:
thanks steve for the pics of the carriers in service, much appreciated especially as i'd like to put the unit and other vehicle markings on now and i'm not sure what goes where. the 4th pic you posted is interesting as the carrier on the left has a solid white line painted above the ct number and this is the same as my carrier, do you have anymore info on the markings and possible significance of the line ? i'd like to restore it as close to it's original spec as possible so any help would be gratefully received.

cheers

rick

You do have a very early Canadian carrier. Mine is CB 8075

There are 3 numbers plus a WD number that can be found on a carrier....If you are very lucky!

The CB 874 just behind the commander's/gunner's seat is the upper hull number.

The lower hull number should be on the angle iron on the outside/bottom of the rear left upper armour plate.

the Serial number and data would have been on a cast plate.

The WD number was painted on the hull.
My understanding is T XXXXXX were britsh built and CT XXXXXX Canadian built.

The CB 875 indicates Canadian Built #875 upper armour plate.
The Lower armour number will not have CB on it

In an ideal world Uhull number and LHull number would be the same but rare.
Serial numbers started at 1000 (so +1000 to hull numbers in ideal world)

Your Carrier was built in either Late 41 or very early 42

Here are some numbers from carriers similar to yours.

UHull # LHull # serial # Date WD #

CB CT 40133

CB 607 1752

CB 3704 3698 1942

6472 Apr 42 T 51176

CB 8075 8105 Aug 42 CT XXXXX

9305 10319 Sept 42

CB 10099 11094 Oct 42 CT113354



My records show 2,927 total carriers built in 1941 and 8,595 built in 1942

It is interesting, your lower rear plate shows some sort of towing attachment mine is for pioneer tools
I hope this helps!
Good Luck!

oh by the way... of the 2927 carriers built in 1941, 330 were sent to Russia
of the 8595 carriers built in 1942, 903 were sent to Russia

It would be cool if we knew what those numbers were.

much appreciated ralph, the ct number is not very clear above the name welland but my best guess is ct29718 so that's what i will put on it unless someone can come up with a better guesss that is.

cheers

rick

ps. the towing attatchment you can see in the early pics was a crude post war mod presumably for when it was used on a farm