No excuse Sergeant, really, no excuse... :fry:

Barry, Sent your carrier with your son. We need it to get the numbers.

Cheers,

Barry...........what?.

kev.

Ben.... just thinking, bring you carrier and a bag of rivets and we will button it back together :)

Oh, you mean like like a "how to" demo for everyone to see?

Perhaps we can set ourselves a challenge! Can we reassemble a carrier in 24 hours living only on beer and greasy dog burgers?

You bring the compressor and furnace down on the train and I'll sort the rest..........or perhaps we can leave our carriers at home and just ask (bribe with beer) the others for a quick go in theirs. :)

I'm just hoping for some sun. I've heard it's either dusty or muddy.

Ben

tickets were well pricey to get there.. but much better than the six or so hours driving + fuel etc etc. I can't wait ! i have been wanting to get there for the last three years but something has always got in the way.

I am all booked in now, and have been asked to join a small display near the large Oak tree behind where the Spitfire and Hurricane replicas are usually parked. Shaun please let me know if you are arranging a Carrier photo and I will make sure I am in attendance. Just debating whether to drive it the 20 miles to W and P or low load it......ummh

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Thats good news, I use to take my T16 to W & P. You will have so much fun in the arena. Just remember it will be Dusty or MUD. But don't worry it will wash off.

As far as driving it there, Low loader it. Unless you have number plates, tax and insured, headlights, break lights, indicators and a horn. With over 3,000 vehicles attending W & P each year there are always lots of old Bill looking out for unroadworthy vehicles moving on there own.

i know some of the vehicles at A & E were not roadworthy, but they were moving in an organised convoy with outriders at every road junction. ( We were also allowed to jump red lights. ) If you really want to drive on the road this is the better event.

Barry. the vehicles are both tax and MOT exempt, he is not required by law to have brake lights and indicators all be it......its much much safer to have them. He will need an amber beacon if driving on roads with a greater speed limit than 20mph and as you say it will need to be road registered and insured.

If I was Andrew I would consider

1) who will go "top cover" for you

2) how much is the Low Loader

3) how many proven miles has the carrier done since rebuild ?

4) is it worth the stress of driving it there by which i mean folk often park cars etc in the worst places causing bottle necks etc etc it would be a pain to squeeze a carrier through to get it to the show... and its a good hour or so drive at carrier speed from where you are.

i say Low load it there and drive it back at the end of the show...or if something crops up get it low loaded back ;-)


just my two penneth ...... Barry has done 100% more road miles than me so he is in a better position to advise

Richard

hi matey !! Are you coming down to W & P?

Good comments about road driving.
Sorry I forgot about the beacon.

It is really easy on a carrier to instale modern equipment to help on the road.
I have two bars that bolt on front and rear with headlights, indicators, brake lights and a horn.
My commander stands with a set of flags as well.
When we get to a show we simply unplug a multi pin and they lift off to make carrier more original.
You can never have enough warning equipment on the vehicle on the road. As the problem is not the carrier on the road it is all the other idiots that will try every thing to get a photo or have a good look. Remember you will be something very special going along a public road. Most people have never seen anything like a carrier moving before.
My tip, have a good Commander somebody who is totally aware of everything happening all around the vehicle. Not just somebody sitting in for a ride. The driver and commander must work as a team. Every time you stop moving people will gather around to look inside, then when you try to move beware of there feet. Take your time, and enjoy the moment.
This tip apply's at the W & P show ground as well.


Have fun

Barry

Yes 100% will be there this year Barry really really looking forward to catching up with pals and meeting folk for the first time too.

Not looking forward to getting the tube for the first time though. I should be there lunchtime...ish on the 18th. Shaun is coming to scoop me up from the station. was wondering if my grandads tam o shanta and stable belt need to get packed... got no other war time kit though.....bags of my old issue kit and a full kit given to me by my best pal when he came back from Afghan.

andrew don't take any driving advise from barry ! i've seen the a&e footage of him trying to convert his carrier into an axle stand for a sherman :doh: (sorry mate couldn't resist it)

for what it's worth in my opinion i would drive it there, i can't think of a better way to make people aware of these old war horses than to see them close up.

all the best

rick

Hi mate

OK I confess I got it wrong again !!
There is always one turning I get wrong. It's my trade mark and everybody knows that now and are waiting for it to happen. Cameras at the ready here comes Barry.

Ha ha !!

My point is not about driving carriers on the road thats good fun.
It's at a show the size of W & P its easy picking for the old Bill.

interesting observations on the driving to W and P. I have completely rewired the T16, all the lights works as they were meant to, it has a working Siren ( very loud) and has travelled about 10 miles around private land over a couple of occasions. It has performed pretty well, my biggest concern would be whether a track pin were to snap which would leave one pretty much standed. However, my view on these things is that some day you have to get hold of it and do it, you will never find the weak links ( sorry about the pun) unless you try the thing in anger. I reckon I would need some ear defenders though, as even running it around on turf it can be quite noisy.

It is insured, taxed and ready to go. I may just do it, or else its probably a £200 bill for transport there and back.........there again at 4 mpg !!!!!!!

Daft question Andrew. I assume you have an 'H' licence? Ron

Andrew, as long as you have spares, a jack and tools you can get away with most things... a seized lump or knackered engine is a different matter, but if you know a good recovery agent then no probs... like i say good top cover (commander) is a must, an amber beacon and patience... remember these things are like driving on marbles on the road i have been in carriers on a couple of occasions that have got out of shape on the roads.... and its very interesting indeed.

Shaun is a good one to speak to (amongst others here) as he has done massive miles in carriers over the years.. he usually carries at least two spare roadwheels..an idler.. and perhaps a return roller...even seen spare sprockets ! spare pins, spare links.. spare bearings... correct weight jack... gaskets.... you name it he takes it but most things can be repaired at the roadside with the right tools, so it makes sense.... its no wonder when we see images from the war these things are loaded right down.

you guys could come pick me up from the station in a convoy... now that would be awesome !! hahahahaha

I do have my "H" elicopter licence yes Ron! Now that is the way to arrive.

Its only 20 miles guys, these things were designed to drive from Normandy to Germany!

I will try it around the local lanes here first and see how I get along. I did drive a T16 in about 2007 at Mons and covered about 20 miles then, great fun it was too. Spun it in front of a Sherman though, carrying out a "high speed" long gradual turn. Message is to make all corners have dog legs on to avoid over heating the brake bands and causing a grab.

that's the spirit mate :salute:

ref the ear defence, if you go on ebay you can pick up clansman headsets for about a fiver a piece, they are designed to be worn when driving tracked vehicles and work very well, they also have an open and close flap so you can listen to people speak without removing the headset (very handy). if you want comms with any other crew members just buy 2 headsets and a cheap motorbike comm set and you'll have the perfect wireless set up. here's a link to a thread explaining it in detail.

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread...ht=cheap+comms

We got to experience how easily the T-16 slides sideways on pavement when doing a turn at speed. It can happen with no warning and really will surprise you at how far it will travel due to forward momentum. Makes sense after thinking about the track links turning into skids when in a turn. Easier for them to slide than to grab the slick pavement and keep you on course.

I think you should go for it Andrew and drive to the event if you can line up someone else to ride with you and serve as a ground guide and traffic coordinator. Someone with a truck could probably tow you if needed in an emergency since the carrier would roll easily on flat ground.

thanks for the advice and comments . I will look into those Clansmen headsets and as you say, an inexpensive motorbike system will do the job. Presumably they have the same sort of jack plugs?

If I am not on lawnmowing duty this weekend, and it isnt raining, I am going to try it down the road and see how we fair. I will report back of course.

You can buy the scala rider Q2 systems cheap enough and they are wireless.... They need to mount to a helmet though, however a couple of issue lids and your laughing

Clansman headsets and boxes can be bought quite cheaply on ebay, when I last looked you could buy most of the bits for about £50.

Clansman when its working correctly doesn't require a radio to operate the system nor does it require the use of civvy frequencies. From memory even though its designed to run at 24 volts it will work with 12 volts. Basic problems with Clansman are the leads on PPT's and headsets.

Picture of the basic boxes needed for the system plus link to plugs / leads required (towards top off the page). http://www.ferret-fv701.co.uk/intercoms_&_radios.htm

http://www.ferret-fv701.co.uk/radio/...c_intercom.png

Last year at W&P every man and his dog were on the civvy frequencies which doesn't bode well when moving AFV's about. Whatever you use it needs to be hard wired together without the need for a wireless system.

My two pennies worth buy something decent, cheap doesn't equal good for the vast majority of things in life and as you're vehicle isn't cheap it requires the corresponding system to go with it.

In regards to travelling to the show under its own steam have you seen how people behave around armoured vehicles slowing down to take pictures in cars , running out in the road to take pictures, crashing car into stationary vehicle at traffic lights (seen that). I'm sure that I can add a few more to that list if I wanted too and thats just with a moving vehicle.

After the grumpy bit driving to a show has some perks all the lasses smile at you (good ego boost), it pees Ferrari drivers off as all the attention goes to the AFV so on so forth you get the idea (very shallow).

thanks for this stuff, and I will definitely look into a Clansmen set. In 1994, I drove my Daimler Armoured Car, from Shrewsbury to Portsmouth and all around Normandy. I was only thwarded on the return 280 mile trip by a broken vlave spring. So I do have experience of driving Armoured vehicles on the road, and the visibility out of the vision slots and front hatch of a DAC is not great to put it mildly. That said, we are talking about nearly 20 years ago, and there is no doubt that traffic volumes are much greater than they were then.

As a point of interest, we drove the whole way using the internal 19 set intercom with original headphones. All I can say was that the chaps who used them in period with the noise of battle going on were amazing!

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Looks like it's going to be a MUDDY one !!

The field before anyone gets there and the approach road at Paddock Wood!!
Ron

good job we have Carriers then!!!!!!! ( not too sure you arent pulling out legs there a bit Ron!)

"There be land sharks round these parts there be" classic

nice one ron :D

i'm looking forward to doing a few 360 in the mud

Guys,

I have friends that have been staying there for over a week now and it's even worse than in 2007. Even tanks with rubber pads are stuck in the mud. Trucks like DAF YA328 with 6 wheel drive stuck to their axles in the mud. Most fields are either mud or full. The weather forecast is also not good. So, come prepared. Bring at least a snorkel or best is a LCT.

Cheers,

The organisers have put out a bulletin to contradict the rumours about the show being cancelled due to the mud.
I'm still going to take my wellies though. Ron


http://www.warandpeaceshow.com/News/News/

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I remember 07 well. The carrier was one of few vehicles that could move in the mud. It was the only vehicle that could get over the knife edge, as most tanks just slipped backwards.
The only problem was ever time you stopped moving you had to clear the mud from around the wheels or it would dry and I would loose all braking as the steering wheel would not turn. No warp steering and no brake steering.
Tip: clean the mud off once you stop especially around the front boogies.

Have a great time,
Rick tie a rope behind the carrier and try mud skiing it's great fun.!!

Baz