Re: Present List
 

I do think that "3" and "5" do mean March and May. Do you have a pic of the plate for -275? I suspect that the plate's date should actually read 5-4-43 for 5th April.

Plate
 

Could well be right! I only have one photo on record and four actual plates' details...does anyone recognise # 275 please?

Hello Board,

Here are a couple of mine to add to the list.........

XH8448-254 ENGINE # FR3863431 MFGD. 5 4 43

This one is still drivable, and has a crane jib attached to it.

Also this one which you will find elsewhere on MLU.......

XH8448-322 ENGINE # FR 3863983 MFGD. 5 4 43

Thanks,

Cheers!
 

Could you please confirm that the BUILD DATES are:
"5 4-43" style?

It seems that the the date-month-year and month-date-uear systems were both used on CMPs, depending on assembly country, say, and also we have the month either stamped out complete or as a digit.


This is my latest list therefore, which suggests that there were indeed April `1943 'MFGD.' plates.

ALL S/M 2394: [ASSEMBLED BY G.M. NEW ZEALAND, CODE XH]
XH8448-067
XH8447-087 MFGD. 5 3 43
XH8448-229 ENGINE # FR3863719 MFGD. 5 3 43
XH8448-254 ENGINE # FR3863431 MFGD. 5 4 43
XH8448-275 MFGD. 5 4 43 ?
XH8448-322 ENGINE # FR3863983 MFGD. 5 4 43
XH8448-377 ENGINE # FR3863573 MFGD. 5 5 43
XH8448-382 ENGINE # FR3863937 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-428 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-496 ENGINE # FR3863872 MFGD. 5 5 43
XH8448-502 ENGINE # FR3863593 MFGD. 5 5 43
XH8448-564 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-594 ENGINE # FR3863668 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-606 ENGINE # FR3864085 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-657 ENGINE # FR3864068 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-718 ENGINE # FR3864330 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-721 ENGINE # FR3864172 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-834 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-870 ENGINE # FR38635?4 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-890 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-903


Note the wide disparity in engine numbers compared to assembly sequence.

Hi David,

Yes info appears correct, here is one of the data plates.

Dave

some more numbers for your records of C8AX

XH 8448 079 FR 3862924 5 3-43
XH 8448 080 FR 3852622 not seen - will chase up
XH 8448 087 FR 3838752 5 3-43
XH 8448 273 FR 3863445 not seen - will chase up
XH 8448 419 FR 3863618 5 5-43
XH 8448 833 FR 3863827 5 JUNE 43
XH 8448 891 FR 38638?2 not seen - plate lost

There will be opportunity to get some more numbers in the next few months

Rob
C8AX Ambulance, 4 stretcher

Thanks!
 

Present list is now:

ALL S/M 2394: [ASSEMBLED BY G.M. NEW ZEALAND, CODE XH]
XH8448-067
XH 8448-079 ENGINE # FR3862924 MFGD. 5 3-43
XH 8448-080 ENGINE # FR3852622
XH8448-087 FR3838752 MFGD. 5 3-43
XH8448-229 ENGINE # FR3863719 MFGD. 5 3 43
XH8448-254 ENGINE # FR3863431 MFGD. 5 4 43
XH8448-273 ENGINE # FR3863445
XH8448-275 MFGD. 5 4 43 ? must be!!
XH8448-322 ENGINE # FR3863983 MFGD. 5 4 43
XH8448-377 ENGINE # FR3863573 MFGD. 5 5 43
XH8448-382 ENGINE # FR3863937 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8449-394 ENGINE # FR3.863,668 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-419 ENGINE # FR3863618 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-428 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-496 ENGINE # FR3863872 MFGD. 5 5 43
XH8448-502 ENGINE # FR3863593 MFGD. 5 5 43
XH8448-564 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-594 ENGINE # FR3863668 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-606 ENGINE # FR3864085 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-622 ENGINE # FR3863893 MFGD. 5 4 43
XH8448-657 ENGINE # FR3864068 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-718 ENGINE # FR3864330 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-721 ENGINE # FR3864172 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-833 ENGINE # FR3863827 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-834 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-870 ENGINE # FR38635?4 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-890 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-891 ENGINE # FR38638?2
XH8448-903

c8AX
 

Arthur Poll had a new GS body made for his truck, to the original pattern. Some years ago , he rang me and we had a nice chat , he also kindly helped me out with some drawings of the GS body . I've been told he has sold the C8AX recently ....?

Some people say the GS bodies were made by the NZ post office workshops , others say it was the Govt. railways workshops . Does anyone know ? The GS bodies were a very crudely made thing , rough oxy welds held it all together . Whoever made them , didn't have access to a spot welder. I had never seen corners oxy welded together before, until I saw a C8AX body ! I cannot imagine the bodies would have held together for long . Once the wooden bearers rotted , the whole thing would have collapsed .

The C8AX's pictured above ( except Arthurs) all seem to have non original bodies fitted . There was a LWB version of the body built also , same as the C8AX GS body, but stretched ,it was fitted on the C60L chassis ?

A friend in the Nth island is restoring a house type wireless body for his C8AX , he's done heaps of research and its still a guessing game as to what's correct and what isnt' It's a complicated affair on a wooden frame . There was one getting around , a mock up of the wireless version , not that original though . They had the ZC1 radio set fitted in them .

And , don't forget that the aussie found C8AX's actually did see active service in the Bouganville area. We think they were sold in situ as a lot, to the highest bidder , rather than being transported back to NZ . So , in a funny way , that makes them very special . They were there !

Mike

Re: c8AX
 

The "Stretched" body was for the 134"wb F30 and C60S.

Re: Re: c8AX
 

Isn't this the Canadian Derrick body?

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/at...=&postid=56786

In that case, wasn't the C8AX body copied off this design and shortened?

H.

Hmmm, interesting! Compare the rear of this C8AX body with the rear of the Derrick bodies in this thread. While there less "panels" in the sides, and the height of the sides are lower, the two body types ARE similar.

And then, of course, there is the NZ Pattern Derrick on an F30, which has the same same layout of stowage lockers, but no sides at all!

Going on what I remember from my youth of growing up with old military vehicles and also having over the years a large collection of Chrysler based products in NZ including Fargo trucks I can confirm that there were no real body building plants in NZ so I can believe that the C8AX bodies were gas welded rather then spot or electric welded. NZ at that time was a simple country about 30 years behind the rest of the world.

The vehicle plants of the day were really only Assembly plants, putting togeather vehicle kits and as they did not have equipment or machines capable of stamping out large all steel body parts all truck cabs, rear bodies etc. for imported chassis/cowl/windscreen models were wooden frames with simple sheetmetal panels tacked on to the frame and the tacks covered with a molding. Even cab doors were wood framed and in a lot of cases simple sliding windows fitted.

It was not until after WW2 that the assembly plants and body shops were equiped with metal stamping machines large enough to do full body panels. WW2 and it's aftermarth resulted in the modernisation of NZ industry especially in the vehicle related field.

Hope this helps
Cheers
Cliff :)

The early version of this body, at least in GS form, had hinged sides which could be dismounted. Looks like this is one of them, fitted with derrick poles and winch in NZ.

H.

NZ GS bodies
 

were no doubt copied off the Canadian built bodies, but simplified for local construction. The sides on the 30cwt bodies I've seen are fixed, and have the extra locker ahead of the wheel arch. The C8AX GS body side panel can be folded from a 48 inch wide sheet, which would simplify construction.

The derrick truck shown may have a rebuilt deck as the lockers look slightly different to me.

My C8AX ambulance body is lengthened at the rear by about 18 inches, and the rear lockers are the same size as the front ones. The chassis has simple extensions at the rear too. The pintle hook is fitted with the normal NZ pattern frame, so the deck overhang makes the hook unusable off road, except for pulling with a cable!!

The C8AX radio shack body is built of timber planking on a timber frame. I'll hunt up a photo or two.

Rob

radio van
 

Here is a internal view of the C8AX wireless body , this pic is from the ZC1 radio manual . It was clad in T& G boards as far as I know . My informant in NZ says approx. only 50 were made . The ZC1 NZ built radio is visible on the table . Apparently, only the Mk 1 version saw WW2 service , ( radio, not truck ) . The ZC1 story is a good read , designed and built in NZ , a good radio , much better than the 19 set in many ways .

http://www.amateur.radio.org.nz/nzar...%20History.htm

Does anyone have any original pics of C8AX's in service ? There are just none around ? I did find one in the NZ archives on line web site taken wartime , showing two of them in the Sth Island on manouvers , but they are in the background .

Mike

Green Island
 

Here is the Green Island pic , we have all seen it before I guess , but maybe its new to somebody ?

The RNZAF Corsair has a drop tank ?

The C8AX has a MT prefix on the door , which means its a RNZAF truck .


Pic is from the AWM database .
Mike

c8ax production
 

hi guys are you sure that the deck is gas welded??
my 30cwt deck was arc welded that today wouldnt pass inspection, but under war conditions was acceptable
as i have discovered, and most of you would have by now
anything goes when it comes to the army and vehicles.

A New Zealand built C8AX Radio Shack
 

is behind the dodge, note the compact body which is all timber. It has little sliding windows on sides and in the rear door.
This photo was taken in 1983 at a national rally. Behind the dodge weapons carrier is a Marmon Herrington field gun tractor, and a 3 ton Ford commercial lorry.

Rob

Here is -427, which was recently noted as being for sale

The plate from -427:

And -634:

And it's plate:

-833 retains an original body on the back:

While -087 has an Ambulance body, eh Rob?

This is the plate for -199:

-199 is a C8AX with a very unusual story........

Current List
 

ALL S/M 2394: [ASSEMBLED BY G.M. NEW ZEALAND, PETONE, CODE XH]:

XH8448-067
XH8448-079 ENGINE # FR3862924 MFGD. 5 3-43
XH8448-080 ENGINE # FR3852622
XH8448-087 FR3838752 MFGD. 5 3-43
XH8448-199 ENGINE # FR? MFGD. 5 3-43
XH8448-229 ENGINE # FR3863719 MFGD. 5 3-43
XH8448-254 ENGINE # FR3863431 MFGD. 5 4-43
XH8448-273 ENGINE # FR3863445
XH8448-275 MFGD. 5 4 43 ?
XH8448-322 ENGINE # FR3863983 MFGD. 5 4-43
XH8448-377 ENGINE # FR3863573 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-382 ENGINE # FR3863937 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8449-394 ENGINE # FR3.863,668 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-419 ENGINE # FR3863618 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-427 ENGINE # FR3863894 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-428 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-496 ENGINE # FR3863872 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-502 ENGINE # FR3863593 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-564 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-594 ENGINE # FR3863668 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-606 ENGINE # FR3864085 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-622 ENGINE # FR3863893 MFGD. 5 4-43
XH8448-634 ENGINE # FR3864089 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-657 ENGINE # FR3864068 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-718 ENGINE # FR3864330 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-721 ENGINE # FR3864172 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-833 ENGINE # FR3863827 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-834 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-870 ENGINE # FR38635?4 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-890 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-891 ENGINE # FR38638?2
XH8448-903


Cheers!

Story
 

Well, go on then... that man with the red X:confused

Yeah!
 

..... :)

The red X is for THREADJACKER2000(tm), and now someone's gone and pushed it!

C8AX -199 is an NZ delivered cab-chassis C8AX with a repro built HUP body. Built from plans drawn from photos, and utilising C8AX components where possible (eg, the rear corners of the cab roof now form the rear body corners), it's an impresive job. With a little coaxing, we may see the owner on here to tell more of the story.

The rear and side doors were made by a sheetmetal worker who produced the dies to stamp out the door inners!

Rear door:

All in all, a nice unit that, with a soon-to-be-done freshen up, makes a very comfortable family tourer for MV events!

Hi guys. my c8ax is XH8448-887