Engine size
 

Hold on a minute Bob, although there appears to be an adapter plate between block and pump the engine is showing two hold-down bolts through the oil cover which I think of as one of the signs of an early engine (1953 or earlier, so probably not 235/261). On the other hand I don't see the external line associated with the dipper oil system. The fan belt looks wide, so probably earlier, unless done to preserve appearances.

Stewart mentioned 216 several times, including as a replacement acquired but I didn't see him say anything about swapping in a 261, did I miss something?

I'm puzzled.

Stewart, can you clear up my puzzlement?

Nah.....
 

....its a 261 with "punny" little oil holes........ still a teenager and not fully developed......

Comments Stew???? are yougoing to feed that thing so it grows up???

BooBee

Wolf in sheeps clothing....
 

...forgot to say that stew's engine is a transvestite..... he has purposely disguised his 261 with some ....again...Hay-Dapter parts that allows him to use an early vulva cover with his nuts showing on top.......

If you help me find it he gave me such a kit for my engine...hihihi

BooB
PS... I am having too much fun today......

Less puzzled now...
 

...but skulduggery abounds....now I'm waiting to hear Stewart's answers to your questions about the belt drive setup.

Be careful what you suggest, if I start off looking for the adapter kit for the valve cover you never know, I might find your hidden pot of gold (what a concept, Captain Nacho = leprechaun???), or help you to discover that you really already have 25 CMPs stashed away in the barn waiting to be assembled although I admit all the sheet metal would be harder to hide.

Scam warning....
 

Jordan..
Stew went to Home Depot and got some paint stripper from there,but he better be carefull the next time he goes...

"Heads up" for you and any of your friends who may be regular Home Depot customers. Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping. Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic. Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you.
Here's how the scam works: Two seriously good-looking 18 or 19 year-old girls come over to your car as you are packing your shopping items into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex,with their chest almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. It is impossible not to look.

When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say "No" and instead ask you for a ride to another Home Depot. You agree and they get in the back seat. On the way, they start making out with each
other. Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and performs an act in your lap, while the other one steals your wallet.

I had my wallet stolen January 4th, 9th,10th, twice on the 15th, 17th, 20th, 24th, 30th, three times just yesterday, and very likely many more times again this upcoming weekend as soon as I can buy some more wallets.
:drunk: :D :remember :support

Alex...
 

..I knew you were optomistic but that's a little over the top(less).

Re: Scam warning....
 

Alex, At which Homely Despot did you find these girls? I want to give them an Ottawa Rotters hat - they are to be congratulated on getting you out of your cave more than once a week.

Stay tuned for photos of the limited edition Ottawa Rotters hat!

Re: Re: Scam warning....
 

BUB...
When I get some more wallets and head back there ,I'll see if we can get them to show up for BBB2....and speaking of that are there any dates set yet..??
I need info for planning summer time allocation..
And who is in charge of the BBB2 "T"shirts this year...The dummy that was looking after last years "T" shirts forgot to order mine...

Re: Engine size
 

Grant and Bob,

Geeze - you guys really look at things don't you!

The engine in the CMP frame rails is a 1962 Canadian Pontiac 261 with the 235 heads. It was easy to drill and tap the required 2 holes in the front of the block ( well, easy for me - the machinist who took the engine apart had it on the radial arm drill anyway ). There is lots of meat at that location, and nowhere near a water jacket.

The adaptor that you see advertised on the eBay to 'convert' an old Chevy six-in-a-row to a modern one is a great place to start, but they don't do what needs to be done to put the 216 parts on the front of the 261.

The relationships between 261 crank pulley and 216 water pump pulley are all very good to speak of at great length over a few beers. I like beer, but I like leaving things alone lots more. The crank pulley, waterpump, and generator drive pulley are all yanked off the front of the 216 and pushed onto the front of the 261. As was the valve cover. ( The 'kit' is the longer rocker stud that a 216 wears compared to a later 235 or 261 put where it looks like they should go.)

The 216 had the same puny oil feed and return lines - and I will put modern filters in the same place on the frame. This will make oil changes easier and allow some degree of cooling to be had. My truck is a very early version and did not have the oil canister clamped to the intake manifold.

Back to the water pump. My early 216 wore a pump with 1 large hole, not the 2 smaller holes the 216/235 models came with. This was a big factor when I was putting back the right hand drive throttle gear - that uses the water pump as a base. This was a real head scratcher early on - as the 216 in my truck was obviously a pre-'military' conversion.

I took yesterday off work to bail my Rochester B out of the carb place in Toronto, so some more progress is on the horizon. That and lots more sanding on the GS box to get ready for more paint.


Stewart

Re: Wolf in sheeps clothing....
 

Boobee, don't be disgusting. This is a family forum, y'know.

But speaking of such things, I hope someone is watching over Jessie for me?

Re: Re: Wolf in sheeps clothing....
 

PS: Don't encourage Stewart, he'll never shut up. Mind you, I probably shouldn't say that as he has my motorcycle in his garage. Ergh.

Oh MY......
 

.... was that YOUR motorcycle...????


Well it is fixed ........ almost like new now.....

Boob

Re: Oh MY......
 

Piss off, Boobee... you wouldn't know a custom-built single-cylinder Yamaha if it bit you on the arse, so git over it... the technology's a bit beyond you 261ci Chev nutbars....

Transmission Adaptor
 

Gents,

I recall that everything was a bolt up, save the 216 flywheel on the back of the 261 crankshaft.

The 216 employs 3/8-inch fasteners, while the 261 needs the slightly larger 7/16-inch bolts. The friendly machinist needs to enlarge the holes in the flywheel ever so slightly to allow the larger bolts to slip thru.

The bolts clamp the flywheel to the crankshaft - the torque is transmitted thru the drive pins - which make sure everything is lined up - not even I could have put it on wrong!

With the 216 flywheel on the back of the engine you can refit the clutch assembly and bolt the transmission to the engine - then back into the frame - using the same mounts. The old starter will now bolt back to the housing and mesh with the same old 216 flywheel that was pulled earlier. The 6volt starter will work great on 12volts ( it does on my U'Carrier).


Stewart

why didn't ......
 

HI Stew

Why didn't you use the 261 flywheel and clutch pack???

.... you may have told me .... but at my age...!!!


BooB

PS... checked my spelling this time so Jiff would not tease me
it's getting hard to be politically correct.... if I include
some French words the Aussie's get all aroused....

Re: why didn't ......
 

Bob,

I got lucky and the 261 was slush box equipped from the factory. That also meant that it came with hydraulic lifters - and a flexplate.

The 216 wore a 10 1/2" clutch, so I stuck with that. If I were to have gone to the '12volt' flywheel on the 261 I would have had to hunt down a flywheel and starter to match - and the 216 parts were in great shape.

I finally found a carb stud ( not you Jiffero ;) ) so the Rochester B is now where it is supposed to be. The 261 carb linkage bolted to the block and it seems to work fine - snaking its way thru the intake/exhaust system.


Stewart

Re: why didn't ......
 

Doesn't take much these days, I'm gonna hafta be careful down there (at least around the sheep)... :D

Re: Re: why didn't ......
 

Oh, I think that's just about enough outta you, Stewart... that's gonna cost you a brewski... I ain't dead YET, y'know... :p

Re: Re: why didn't ......
 

Don't worry Jif....
What can't get up..can't get out...!!

(And no...I'm not speaking for myself!!..which I assume you are going to fire back..!!)
:drunk: :rolleyes :D :remember :support

Re: Re: Re: why didn't ......
 

No sweat, G.I. ... I've learned over the years the difference between men, women and sheep. Men you drink beer with, sheep you pet (unless you're Keefy :D :p ) and women.... err ... get you in trouble. Does that about cover it? :eek:

Re: Re: Re: Re: why didn't ......
 

Jif..
I'm Proud of you...you got it!!
And just one more piece of advice before you head over there with them upside down savages....

If it has tits or wheels..eventually it will give you trouble..

Stay safe and we'll see you again this summer for sure..
:drunk: :remember

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: why didn't ......
 

Thank you, Alex, I'm a slow learner... especially when it comes to women! I'll have to be en guarde if Max tries to introduce me to his better-looking sheep. Hopefully we'll just chase them in his carrier, that looks like pure 'upside down savage sport'... seems an emminently reasonable preoccupation to me... :)

Has anyone confirmed Beccy's attendance at Corowa yet? (Yes, I'm a sucker for punishment).

Silly buggers are you all!

throttle linkage
 

Stewart
You mention that the throttle linkage meanders through the manifolds but have you got it connected up to the operaror arm that goes across the front of the engine?
After the pintle hitch spring episode you went on to something lighter to handle?
What else have you done?
Gord

Re: throttle linkage
 

Gordon, that sounds faintly disgusting. Amazing what this place is coming to. :D

Re: Re: why didn't ......
 

Stewart - please post a photo of the linkage from carb to firewall if possible. I have to do the same to my 235 this weekend...need all the help I can get.

Field reference truck
 

Rob,
Go and check in the field for how to set up your throttle linkage, there is one in the field that matches the MB-C2 diagram. It's the truck with a Keith's bottle in the water pump outlet. Perhaps I shouldn't be telling you this or you'll go out and scoop all the goodies????

Its the old cab 13 that has the cab partly pulled off
 

..... we took the radiator off for Jordan..... easy to see how it is connected...... have to protect that treasure... it is the only one left we have that has the linkages..... I had others and took them all apart and can't remember how to put themtogether again... I do have pictures....somewhere...

See you Sunday....

Bob

Re: Field reference truck
 

Grant,

Yeah, I hear you. Keith's bottles are worth collecting. Obviously I have not been spending enough time at the barn...gotta fix that. Let's do lunch Sunday.

Re: Its the old cab 13 that has the cab partly pulled off
 

HUP pictures??? OK, I'll be there Sunday. Maybe Cliff can drop over...

Re: Re: Its the old cab 13 that has the cab partly pulled off
 

Oh lordy, yet another Ottawa Rotters get-together? Take pictures, I can't make this one. Do NOT invite Jessie or you'll be in deep trouble. :teach: