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Richard Farrant 11-04-07 09:30

Re: Thanks for the advice.....
 
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Originally posted by Bob Carriere
My old dad use to have a small half pint container of some kind of GooH...... smelled like shellac but had a cooper dust mixed.....he said it was used on "hand lapped surfaces" for aircraft engines when no gasket was used.....
Bob,

I use a sealant that was developed by Rolls Royce for their aircraft engines originally, called Wellseal. It is a type of shellac and only needs a very thin coat, then allowed to go off for about 10 mins. when it gets sticky. You set up your shimming first, then strip and apply the sealant between each shim. Experience will tell you how to compensate for it on the shimming, dependant on how many shims are used. If you were using brand new shims, there is often no problem, it is old ones with the odd wrinkle in them, that cause the problems. Re. the remark from your bearing guy about the bolts should pull the shims tight, not always possible if the item has relatively small diameter studs or bolts.

Mike Timoshyk 11-04-07 15:00

leaking oil
 
Leaking oil ...... I consider it, just as ol blackie runs around ..... "markin' his territory"

cheers

Mike

Pete Ashby 11-04-07 19:11

Re: Re: Thanks for the advice.....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Richard Farrant
Bob,

I use a sealant that was developed by Rolls Royce for their aircraft engines originally, called Wellseal. It is a type of shellac and only needs a very thin coat, then allowed to go off for about 10 mins. when it gets sticky. You set up your shimming first, then strip and apply the sealant between each shim. Experience will tell you how to compensate for it on the shimming, dependant on how many shims are used. If you were using brand new shims, there is often no problem, it is old ones with the odd wrinkle in them, that cause the problems. Re. the remark from your bearing guy about the bolts should pull the shims tight, not always possible if the item has relatively small diameter studs or bolts.

Use the same Richard if required, usually only a problem with re-used dinged shims.

Bob

Don’t feel bad about doing the job twice, it's well worth spending time getting the preload right on the centre transfer gear bearing, get it wrong and it will howl like a banshee on overrun

Pete
:cheers:

Bob Carriere 12-04-07 03:32

Thanks for the advice.....
 
....will try using thinned down shellac gasket compound...... leaving a few of the thinness shims and check the preload.....

Thanks for the advice....will keep you posted of our progress.

Right now I need one small compression spring for the ball detent for the hi/low speed.... so will need to cannibalize from another 2 speed...... seems that little lubrication gets to the top part of the T case and the spring gets very rusted and gummed up....... will try packing with some small amount of light grease....


Hang in there.

BooB

RHClarke 12-04-07 04:07

Re: leaking oil
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mike Timoshyk
Leaking oil ...... I consider it, just as ol blackie runs around ..... "markin' his territory"

cheers

Mike

Hmmm. British design. Why wouldn't it leak oil?

Phil Waterman 12-04-07 12:48

Transfer Spring Time
 
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Originally posted by Bob Carriere
....
...Right now I need one small compression spring for the ball detent for the hi/low speed.... so will need to cannibalize from another 2 speed...... seems that little lubrication gets to the top part of the T case and the spring gets very rusted and gummed up....... will try packing with some small amount of light grease....


Hang in there.

BooB

Hi Bob

Had the same problem with my transfer case, found a replacement at the local hardware store. Took the old rusty one with me and found a good match for length and spring preasure.

RHClarke 16-04-07 19:12

Been Quiet Lately at the Barn
 
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Here is a late sitrep on the goings on in Hammond. Inside the barn, Bob and Grant spent Sunday (a rather wet but above zero day) conducting two autopsys. Bob's transfer case was acting up so he decided to look into one of the spare cases hanging around to see how the gubbins worked. Following that, the sound of the air gun filled the air along with some "blue" language. Bob will provide the details between the curses...

Meanwhile, outside the barn could be heard the chirping of the jay birds and the occasional honk of the migrating Canada geese. I had some fun reconstructing the transfer case brake linkage (see photos) and after some fine dining at Chez Marie, pounded out some dents in my HUP chain locker. Next step, weld on the hinge and then reunite the locker with the frame - photos will follow in due course.

Upcoming action: Road Trip! This one will be to recover a goodie for Grant (who will fill in the details later in the month).

RHClarke 16-04-07 19:13

Linkage in Action!
 
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It worked - the first time!

Bob Carriere 16-04-07 21:28

T-Case new meaning...
 
The "T" stands for teardown over and over and over again........


NOTE*** please disregard previous posting on the arrangement of the gears...... I was ALL WRONG....but I think between Grant and myself.... the help of a second teardown-case we finally figgered out what the problem was.......

Will post new pictures with appropriate expletive deleted...... by my count, we took my Teardown-case apart 6 times not counting the dismantleting and re assembly of the spare t-case for guidance.

Stay tuned........ pictures will follow tonite.

BooB

RHClarke 16-04-07 22:10

Re: T-Case new meaning...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
The "T" stands for teardown over and over and over again........


...we took my Teardown-case apart 6 times not counting the dismantleting and re assembly of the spare t-case for guidance.

BooB

So much for the "rule of two". Looks like the HUP curse is spreading...sorry, Bob!

Phil Waterman 16-04-07 23:11

Re: Re: T-Case new meaning...
 
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Originally posted by RHClarke
So much for the "rule of two". Looks like the HUP curse is spreading...sorry, Bob!
You guys are having to much fun, just think of it you get company when you have to take something apart again the rest of us have to do it all alone, and what use is all that colorful language when you realize that you have to tear it down again. The colorful words loose so much meaning when the only one who hears it is the Chipmunk that lives under the corner work bench.

RHClarke 17-04-07 00:27

Re: Re: Re: T-Case new meaning...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Phil Waterman
You guys are having to much fun, just think of it you get company when you have to take something apart again the rest of us have to do it all alone, and what use is all that colorful language when you realize that you have to tear it down again. The colorful words loose so much meaning when the only one who hears it is the Chipmunk that lives under the corner work bench.
Phil,

Fun it is. We may sound "angry" but in reality we love this stuff. The barn is a nice retreat from the world of wives, kids, work and politics. Every day at the barn is a learning experience (mind you last weekend's lesson was the pronunciation of French curses...). Just taking a break outside of the barn is a lesson in nature. All sorts of flora and fauna make their way to Bob's paradise. So, not only do we get to commune with nature, but we get to fix/break/fabricate things. It's a great time.

Being mechanically inept "righty tighty, lefty loosie" is the extent of my tech knowledge, it is fun learning how things work (both the right way and the wrong way).

The historical significance aside, this is a great hobby mainly due to the folks you meet and the friends you make - even if it is a chipmunk!

Phil Waterman 17-04-07 00:42

Actually I’m envious
 
The idea of having people to share the shop sounds great.

Update edit-- Actually that’s why I wanted you guys to put up a live time Web Cam is so that I could do the same thing and we could have a very large shop, about 300 miles end to end.

I’m thinking about shifting around storage so that could offer shop space to another CMPer, problem is the nearest is nearly a hundred miles away.

RHClarke 17-04-07 00:53

Say the Word!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Phil Waterman
The idea of having people to share the shop sounds great.

Update edit-- Actually that’s why I wanted you guys to put up a live time Web Cam is so that I could do the same thing and we could have a very large shop, about 300 miles end to end.

I’m thinking about shifting around storage so that could offer shop space to another CMPer, problem is the nearest is nearly a hundred miles away.

Looking for company? I hear that Bob will be making his way down to your neck of the woods this year. Are you planning a cross border trip this year? Bring your ID, passport and remember who won the world series in '43, just in case you run into some of the northern "Minutemen"...

I'll broach the webcam idea again with the boys next weekend. If that doesn't work out, we will spring for a life-sized cut out of Nacho Libre!

Bob Carriere 17-04-07 19:42

Web Cam...
 
....does this mean I have to wear a clean coat and wear makeup?

Geez Louise.......

....however the idea of taping short segments of How to... or in my case how not to...... is interesting......

What means do we have to "post" short 2 to 5 minutes video clips without incurring addidtional costs...??

BooB

RHClarke 17-04-07 20:15

Re: Web Cam...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
....does this mean I have to wear a clean coat and wear makeup?

Geez Louise.......

....however the idea of taping short segments of How to... or in my case how not to...... is interesting......

What means do we have to "post" short 2 to 5 minutes video clips without incurring addidtional costs...??

BooB

Bobbsie,

I have a video camera and my digital camera takes some short clips. The only expense I can forsee is the editing software - unless someone knows where to find some free-ware...the resulting videos can be posted to UTube etc...

RHClarke 23-04-07 02:55

An "Al Gore" Day at the Barn
 
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24oC!!! Our first hot day at the Hammond Barn. Bob's road is finally jelling up enough to drive on...we hope. Being so warm, we decided it was a nice day to add to the Hammond Beach. Out came the sandblasting pot, and out came the sweat. Here is a photo showing Bob's good side:

RHClarke 23-04-07 02:57

Bob's Goal
 
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Bob led off the marathon sandblasting day with his floor panel:

RHClarke 23-04-07 02:59

Meanwhile...
 
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Grant demonstrates his frame wrasslin ability (Bob and Grant modified an old frame to hold Grant's truck box when it arrives):

RHClarke 23-04-07 03:00

And Yours Truely...
 
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...tore down three seat frames for sandblasting.

RHClarke 29-04-07 16:29

Road Trip!
 
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On Saturday Bob, Grant and I headed out on the road to recover a communications box for Grant's truck. The trip to Smithville Ontario started at 0610 (Grant and I were a little late - there was a line up at Tims...). With the windshield wipers slapping time, we cruised through Ottawa and Kingston on our way to Napanee and the "Flying J". After fueling up the diesel, we depleted the buffet in preparation for the long trip to and through Toronto.

The traffic in Toronto was quite busy for a rainy Saturday, so we took the Electronic Toll Road that bypasses the majority of the traffic. The scenic beauty of Hamilton filled us with awe and all too soon we were in Grimsby. After a quick dogleg to the north, we entered Smithville and met up with Dennis Walker.

Dennis had two comms boxes, one of which he sold to Grant. The challenge was to move the box from the back of a nice C60 onto Bob's lowbed trailer. This was accomplished with two moving van ramps and Bob's winch. Once the box was tied down, we got a royal tour of the farm. Dennis has a good number of projects underway, including a 25 pounder, 2 pounder, 40mm, an 18 pounder and a fair number of truck projects including a 44 HUP.

After cleaning up the financials, we jumped into the truck and headed back to the barn. At midnight, we pulled into Hammond and left the truck and trailer sitting until Sunday for offloading. Bob will furnish the trip stats, and he and Grant will fill in other details of the trip and equipment acquired. Another successful and safe road trip in the bank!

RHClarke 29-04-07 16:30

More Detail
 
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Angling the trailer was a challenge...

RHClarke 29-04-07 16:31

Success!
 
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The box slid down onto the deck of the trailer just clearing the fenders...should have bought a lotto ticket yesterday.

RHClarke 29-04-07 16:35

All Happy
 
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Dennis, Grant and Bob smile for the camera. This was a very successful trip all round. Grant got his comms box, Bob ended up with a load of winching and transfer case parts, cab 11 bits and pieces, and a shovel. Since everyone was on a spending spree, I dug deep and got a shovel as well (photo to follow).

Many thanks to Dennis for his time and good will. Thanks to Bob for the transport, and Grant for organizing the trip down and back.

RHClarke 07-05-07 01:28

Shovel
 
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Finally, some shots of the shovels obtained last week:

RHClarke 07-05-07 01:33

Spendid Weekend At The Barn
 
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Sunday morning was a bit cool but gloriously sunny. It was 11oC at 0700 hrs and eventually warmed up to 18oC. While awaiting the arrival of Bob and Grant, I decided to find the origin of the leak in my transfer case.

After stripping off the drive shaft, tranny brake assembly, the transmission flange, and the brake drum, this is what I found:

RHClarke 07-05-07 01:41

So,
 
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I pulled off the bracket, punched out the massive original oil seal (which was toast), recovered the various gaskets and gave the bracket and the brake drum a good cleaning. After the cleaning, a new coat of paint was applied. Once dried, I took the bracket into the barn and with Bob's expert help (he did the same thing yesterday...) set in the new rather flimsy looking oil seal. We had to drive the oil seal all the way in to ensure that there were no gaps.

The gaskets required a lot of attention as there was rust and gasket gunk all over the various pieces. After some gentle washing and wet sanding, the gaskets were lightly coated with liquid gasket and set it place.

The mounting of the bracket was fun as the bolts also act as stoppers for the fluid in the transfer case. After some quick moves, including trying to keep spacers in place whilst soaked in gear oil, we got the bracket back in place.

RHClarke 07-05-07 01:51

Then,
 
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Bob and I began to reassemble the various bits and pieces of the drive train. Unfortunately, the flange that attaches to the drive shaft was well and truely gouged. Fortunately, the mad scramble over the past few years to get parts paid off. We found a really nice replacement. After cleaning and painting, it was gently lubed up and set in place along with the brake drum.

The brake linkage was relubed and reassembled. A good start to the morning was made even better by the absence of any leaks (mind you Bob reminded me that a lot of the fluid drained out during our reassembly...time will tell).

RHClarke 07-05-07 01:57

Visitor
 
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The day was going really well, and then got better. Brian stopped by for a quick visit. He had been away recovering from major surgeries to his arm and shoulder. The recover must have gone quite well, because he was able to hammer and dolly out the lips to my chain locker, recut threads on my locker attachment rods and prepare the hinge for welding.

It was good to have Brian stop by - he makes quick work of what we amateurs would spend a weekend trying to sort out.

Here is a shot of Brian and his dolly:

RHClarke 07-05-07 02:07

Meanwhile...
 
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Bob and Grant were working on the set of their own "Trailer Park Boys" episode. Grant might find the time to fill in the details later, but in a nutshell, the boys raised the comm box off the float, placed the frame trailer beneath it, and then lowered it onto the frame.

The float was then stored. The comm box backed into a corner, and Grant's frame moved to my shelter. All in all a good days work.

Bob and Grant welding cleats to the frame trailer:


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