the real Stag with the 37mm gun in turret!
 

T17E1 as stated by KEvin!

http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/n...IMG_8624-1.jpg
http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=IMG_8601.jpg

T-16 For Sale (not mine...)
 

A friend in Georgia (USA, not Soviet) has a T-16 that he plans to sell to help offset costs of another restoration he is doing. This one hasn't been driven for several years but did run when it was parked in the shed. It will need work to put it back to wartime configuration since the armor has been cut but it doesn’t appear to be a basket case like my carrier was when I started out.

I can't answer specific questions about the vehicle but the seller can. I'm only posting this since he wasn't sure how to attach images on the forum. Seller's contact information is:

Knox Herndon
Phone 770 719 2365
eMail khern2365 at aol dot com

He is new to MLU but should also be able to respond via this message thread.

Three more photos of the carrier. Now you know what I know about it :thup:

Hi David, what type of wheels has that carrier got as they look very unusual.
Colin.

Hey Colin,

It has the solid disc pattern wheels all around. They were produced at the same time that the curved spoke pattern came out to replace the straight pattern that only the very earliest production T-16s had.

The disc type are supposed to handle mud and snow build up better since it can't get packed up into any spokes. But so far nobody has found any documentation on any of the wheels in terms of what was going on with production and if certain vehicles were built one way or another for a particular reason. You see this type in some wartime T-16 photographs of Canadian troops in Holland and Germany in 1945.

A few years back there were WWII reenactors that selected this type T-16 for conversion to German armor since they needed running lower hulls with disc wheels for the look. Usually they put the driver at the rear so the drive sprockets would be in the front and then altered the steering linkage for the new short run. Somewhere on MLU there are photos and discussion of some of the conversions that came out looking pretty cool.

disc wheels
 

Hi, I went and saw an old boy a year or so back to buy some carrier wheels off him, he had once restord a T16 that came out of the pounds scrap yard. We got talking about T16 wheels and he told me they produced the solid disc type to prevent sabotage from the enemy, apparently you could disable the vehicle by putting iron rods through the wheels jamming he tracks, he was about 90 years old and seemed to know what he was taliking about.

this could be the reason?.

Anything is possible. Its too bad that so much of the history has been lost, or at least temporarily misplaced. For T-16s with solid disc wheels, I know of three people personally that have them in complete sets on their vehicles. Ray in New York, Dan in New Mexico and Brennon here in Texas. Sure there are a lot more out there.

On the wheels, there were at least four variations that we know of. The straight spoke, curved spoke and solid disc we mentioned. But there are actually two patterns of curved spoke wheels. Some have a casting on the back that is a raised projection which we've been told is used to help sling mud and snow buildup off before it can harden up on the spokes which can cause issues with the tracks and sprocket. Some of the T-16s also have ice scrapers on the rear at the back.

One other good thing about the solid disc wheels is they can be reversed to allow presentation of the side with the best rubber and metal surface area. Guess this is possible with the straight spokes as well. My carrier has curved spokes so flipping one around would look really odd.

Pablo50cal has solid wheels on his carrier (resides in Argentina) This carrier is now advertised on John Bizal's website, being sold with another one (more complete.. as a pair) $12000 for the pair.......bargain if you ask me !

http://www.midwestmil.com/2T16salep1.html

Greetings Guys,
I have a running T-16 for sale. We got it up and running at the end of Jan 2011. It starts, runs, shifts, turns and stops. The drive train is in great shape as are the tracks and the matching road wheels. Depending on how much restoration you like it could be made into a nice vehicle with a lot of sweat equity, but did I say IT IS RUNNING. The vehicle needs total restoration on the inside. Many a collector spends lots of $ just on getting a vehicle Running! As you probably know, many of these vehicles came into the States through the South Eastern Equip Co, Augusta Georgia ( a 2 1/2) hour drive from where I live. See my Ebay Auction at

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...AQ:MOTORS:1123

My complete contact info is in the Ebay auction

Blessings, Knox ><>

Cell 678-665-3623
Home 770-719-2365
khern2365@aol.com

Buy it now must have worked! The listing is gone.

I clicked and didn't get anything useful but a search on "t-16 carrier" found it. The link I got was:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T-16-...item35afe70ea4
I hope it works for you.

I believe it was relisted because he wasn't getting the bids he expected the first time around. I wish ebay didn't work like that.....both the buyer and the seller should be taking a chance.

... the same advertisement:

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=16152

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=16151

Thanks; threads merged.

T 16 for sale on EBay
 

There is a T 16 forsale on E Bay Look under track vehicles . It's at $12500 and needs a fair amount of work .In the USA

... George, do you mean this one?

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=16151

A ebay-link or item number wouldnt't be too bad ;-)

T 16 for sale
 

Yes that is the one

1944 ford t16
 

no connection to the seller but a nice looking T16 none the less:-

http://www.milweb.net/classifieds/la...ad=58650&cat=1

think with the exchange rate at the moment 39000 euro is 34038 GBP

found these pics on my hard disk & remembered this thread . . . . wonder where it ended up

Those are sold, apparently, but there's another one offered for sale: http://www.midwestmilitary.net/T16salep1.html

I had put that image of the T16 in the bows and covers thread as it had close ups on the brace bars used for the covers... ???

Indeed, you did. I moved it here because you are always on the lookout for carriers for sale. Also merged any "T16 for sale" threads I could find into this "mother of all".

Only later I realised you were adding to the discussion on Wartime T-16 Universal Carriers with Tops / Bows, so I have moved it back there and added a quote here.

I needed to clean up that thread and hope you don't mind.

Regards,
Hanno

No probs at all Hanno it had gone a bit pear shaped :)