Look What Crawled Out From Under A Rock
 

Hi Keefy - these damn Chevs are everywhere. Took some time out for a field trip today. Have plenty of images but truck was in a tight location so fairly restrictive images. However the important stuff. Firstly frontal.

Plate Details
 

General Motors of Canada Ltd
Chassis Model R106
Cab Model
Chassis Serial 3-8443-60514 M
Engine Serial PR 3946943
Order No E-52-384
Date of Mfg 30 6 44 AUS M

Re: More serial numbers
 

Here are the details for that truck:

WO56 8443 Workshop E and K loading

8443 being of course a C60L.

Re: Plate Details
 

R106 is a RAAF designation - a C60L. This one possibly had a steel dropside GS body. It was assembled in Melbourne.

The one after it - R107 was the C60X tanker.

Look What I Found - 1
 

Hi Keefy and all
Another field trip to an undisclosed location uncovered this following three.

Look What I Found - 2
 

Next

Look What I Found - 3
 

Last one for this thread. I'll post the rest on another thread.
Bob

Details
 

The owner of course would like details ex. the data plates.

Data
 

It's a pity that the assembly plant letters are not obvious or stamped. The former one sounds like a CKD assembly job, whereas the other two are chassis imported and then assembled.

WO 98
 

Strange - I have WO98 listed as a 8446 chassis for the Fox - imported for the Rhino armoured car project - but it seems that my info may be dodgy.

The definitive WO listing is as elusive as ever!

Contracts and chassis numbers
E52-445 3844363615
E52-448 3844361436

are both new to me and would seem to be fairly late ones for C60Ls with Holden built cabs. The other E52 numbers I have are for Ford chassis.

The truck you've pictured in the barn with the Landy appears to be a Ford F60L going by the cab and spring bumper.

Re: Look What I Found - 3
 

Bob, What other thread?
Cheers
Rod

re:look what I found 2
 

Whoa, was that a XT or XW Falcon GT sitting next to that Blitz? Sell that baby and you could hire a team to retore as many blizes as you like.

Re: re:look what I found 2
 

Looks XT to me
Rod

XT huh
 

Restored, they are selling for around $50,000 at the present time. Prices are steadily rising too.

XTs
 

We had XTs imported into England by Ford Personal Import-Export Ltd in central London. I am not sure if there any left now as they rusted!

Brisbane chassis
 

David I just photographed a C60S for Keith to add to OLD CMP
ARN 71345
Chassis 28442B00205

G'day!
 

Thanks for that one! A rare Brisbane-assembled CKD.

Another One
 

Hi Keefy
Another one for your database. This is from the Ballarat Blitz on the "If you go down in the woods today" thread.
Bob

G'day All, The Land Rover appears to be a Series 2, if it's an 88" it will be a Command/Recon car otherwise it's a 109" GS, anyway cheers Dennis :sheep:

Re: Another One
 

Thanks Bob

That would make it a Truck, 3-ton Garage Aust.

Found Another One
 

Hi Keefy - this one is an ex. Country Fire Service truck near me. They are restoring it as a CFS vehicle. 2WD so either a C15 or whatever. The owner said a number of these were utilised by various CFS brigades and were possibly ex. ambulances.

Model WO1
Serial 2842100230M
Engine SP 3779337 - the first 3 could be an 8 as a crease is across the number.

Bob

C15 wo1
 

Thanks Bob

It originally had a wooden body. The engine number prefix is SR.

Wooden Body
 

Hi Keefy - by "wooden body" I take it you mean a GS body made out of wood. I've informed the restorers that they should lightly sand back the areas where the ARN and Unit Designations should be. In the mean time any information to show its provenance would be appreciated.

Bob

Wood
 

Yes, G.S. No1 (Aust). And yes, good idea to get them to do this. Then it can be looked up in the AWM records although this is unlikely to give you any more than the state where it was originally issued and possibly to whom it was disposed of and a date of disposal.

David H Where Are You?
 

David - any information on this one?

Model WO1
Serial 2842100230M
Engine SP 3779337 - the first 3 could be an 8 as a crease is across the number.

Bob

Sr
 

Bob, it's SR not SP! :teach: :teach: :teach:

PS I have some footage ready to send to you next week.

Holden-assembled
 

Yes, it's SR prefixed...only used on the 1942 C15s; 1942 C8s and C15As used MR and WR prefixes. This is the complete list of Holden-assembled to my knowledge:


2842100041S [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100047S NOW FITTED WITH ENGINE # TR3,970,956 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100074 ENGINE # SR3,836,145 [HOLDEN-ASSEMBLED]
2-8421-00077 SR3,835,415 [HOLDEN-ASSEMBLED]
2842100091M ENGINE # SR3,851,790 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED]
2842100100 [HOLDEN-ASSEMBLED] PRESERVED
2842100111P ENGINE # SR3,835,344 W.O.73 [PERTH-ASSEMBLED] 10/4/43
28421M00116M ENGINE # SR3,781.572 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED]
2842100128P ENGINE# SR3,857,769 28 APRIL 1943 [PERTH-ASSEMBLED]
2842100166 ENGINE # SR3,781,498 WO1
2842100230M ENGINE SR3,779,337 WO1 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED]
2842100244M ENGINE # SR3,779,671 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED]
2842100317M ENGINE # PR3,835,385 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED]
2842100360S ENGINE # SR3,857,660 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100373S ENGINE # SR3,857,763 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100380S ENGINE # SR3,857,947 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100412S ENGINE # SR3,857,834 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100415S ENGINE # SR3,857,753 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100437S ENGINE # SR3,857,545 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100441S ENGINE # SR3,857,847 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100479M ENGINE # SR3,857,960 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED] 1 MARCH 1943
2842100481S ENGINE # SR3,857,646 W.O.73 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED] NO ASSEMBLY DATE!
2842100490M ENGINE # PR3,849,145 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED] 20 APRIL 1943
2842100506S ENGINE # PR3,857,638 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100508S ENGINE # WR3,815,503 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100518S ENGINE # PR3,857,842 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100519S ENGINE # PR3,857,844 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED]
2842100538M ENGINE # SR3,8587,018 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED] 16 MARCH 1943
2842100591M ENGINE # SR3,858,033 W.O. 73 MARCH 19 1943 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED]
2842100592M [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED]
2842100609M ENGINE # SR3,858,180 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED] 24 MARCH 1943
2842100613M ENGINE # PR3,858,216 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED] 24 MARCH 1943
2842100615M ENGINE # SR3,858,215 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED] 24 MARCH 1943
2842100706S ENGINE # SR3,857,699 W.O.73 [SYDNEY-ASSEMBLED] NO ASSEMBLY DATE!
2842100711M ENGINE # PR3,874,368 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED] 14 SEPTEMBER 1943
2842100712M ENGINE # SR3,857,885 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED] 7 APRIL 1943
2842100730M ENGINE # PR3,874,378 [MELBOURNE-ASSEMBLED]
28421000919 ENGINE # SR3,851,790 WO12 (WIRELESS) HOLDEN-ASSEMBLED

You can see that each plant used their own sequential series, and they do not relate to any other plant's sequence. I think it was Brisbane plant that did not always use 'B' in the serial. The Perth 'P' vehicles were possibly the rarest.

Sydney dates
 

Taking this one as an example, a Sydney built C15 Wireless Signals I have noticed that these had the date stamped on the plate affixed to the engine cover rather than the data plate on the dash.

And as a question, is it your computer which is adding the commas to the engine numbers? They were not stamped that way.

Commas
 

No, it's me! I have the greatest difficulty in reading six-figure and five-figure numbers. It helps to differentiate the last relevant digits, namely the six-figures. GM of Canada's Walkerville, later from 1935 Windsor, Transmission Plant used a similar numbering system to Flint Motor Plant in 1930, 1929 being a hotch-potch of sequences. After that Flint built so many engines that the sequences differed totally from Walkerville's until 1937 when with the new 216 engines, sequences were re-set again, and then confusion could arise again. Windsor re-set numbers in 1946, by the way.

Try this:

2842100041S [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100047S [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100074 ENGINE # SR3836145 [HOLDEN PLANT]
2-8421-00077 SR3835415 [HOLDEN PLANT]
2842100091M ENGINE # SR3851790 [MELBOURNE PLANT]
2842100100 [HOLDEN PLANT] PRESERVED
2842100111P ENGINE # SR3835344 W.O.73 [PERTH PLANT] 10/4/43
28421M00116M ENGINE # SR3781.572 [MELBOURNE PLANT]
2842100128P ENGINE# SR3857769 28 APRIL 1943 [PERTH PLANT]
2842100166 ENGINE # SR3781498 WO1
2842100230M ENGINE SR3779337 WO1 [MELBOURNE PLANT]
2842100244M ENGINE # SR3779671 [MELBOURNE PLANT]
2842100317M ENGINE # PR3835385 [MELBOURNE PLANT]
2842100360S ENGINE # SR3857660 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100373S ENGINE # SR3857763 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100380S ENGINE # SR3857947 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100412S ENGINE # SR3857834 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100415S ENGINE # SR3857753 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100437S ENGINE # SR3857545 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100441S ENGINE # SR3857847 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100479M ENGINE # SR3857960 [MELBOURNE PLANT] 1 MARCH 1943
2842100481S ENGINE # SR3857646 W.O.73 [SYDNEY PLANT] NO ASSEMBLY DATE!
2842100490M ENGINE # PR3849145 [MELBOURNE PLANT] 20 APRIL 1943
2842100506S ENGINE # PR3857638 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100508S ENGINE # WR3815503 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100518S ENGINE # PR3857842 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100519S ENGINE # PR3857844 [SYDNEY PLANT]
2842100538M ENGINE # SR38587018 [MELBOURNE PLANT] 16 MARCH 1943
2842100591M ENGINE # SR3858033 W.O. 73 MARCH 19 1943 [MELBOURNE PLANT]
2842100592M [MELBOURNE PLANT]
2842100609M ENGINE # SR3858180 [MELBOURNE PLANT] 24 MARCH 1943
2842100613M ENGINE # PR3858216 [MELBOURNE PLANT] 24 MARCH 1943
2842100615M ENGINE # SR3858215 [MELBOURNE PLANT] 24 MARCH 1943
2842100706S ENGINE # SR3857699 W.O.73 [SYDNEY PLANT] NO ASSEMBLY DATE!
2842100711M ENGINE # PR3874368 [MELBOURNE PLANT] 14 SEPTEMBER 1943
2842100712M ENGINE # SR3857885 [MELBOURNE PLANT] 7 APRIL 1943
2842100730M ENGINE # PR3874378 [MELBOURNE PLANT]
28421000919 ENGINE # SR3851790 WO12 (WIRELESS) HOLDEN-ASSEMBLED

Try this!
 

2842100041s [sydney plant]
2842100047s now fitted with engine # tr3970956 [sydney plant]
2842100074 engine # sr3836145 [holden plant]
2-8421-00077 sr3835415 [holden plant]
2842100091m engine # sr3851790 [melbourne plant]
2842100100 [holden plant] preserved
2842100111p engine # sr3835344 w.o.73 [perth plant] 10/4/43
28421m00116m engine # sr3781.572 [melbourne plant]
2842100128p engine# sr3857769 28 april 1943 [perth plant]
2842100166 engine # sr3781498 wo1
2842100230m engine sr3779337 wo1 [melbourne plant]
2842100244m engine # sr3779671 [melbourne plant]
2842100317m engine # pr3835385 [melbourne plant]
2842100360s engine # sr3857660 [sydney plant]
2842100373s engine # sr3857763 [sydney plant]
2842100380s engine # sr3857947 [sydney plant]
2842100412s engine # sr3857834 [sydney plant]
2842100415s engine # sr3857753 [sydney plant]
2842100437s engine # sr3857545 [sydney plant]
2842100441s engine # sr3857847 [sydney plant]
2842100479m engine # sr3857960 [melbourne plant] 1 march 1943
2842100481s engine # sr3857646 w.o.73 [sydney plant] no assembly date!
2842100490m engine # pr3849145 [melbourne plant] 20 april 1943
2842100506s engine # pr3857638 [sydney plant]
2842100508s engine # wr3815503 [sydney plant]
2842100518s engine # pr3857842 [sydney plant]
2842100519s engine # pr3857844 [sydney plant]
2842100538m engine # sr38587018 [melbourne plant] 16 march 1943
2842100591m engine # sr3858033 w.o. 73 march 19 1943 [melbourne plant]
2842100592m [melbourne plant]
2842100609m engine # sr3858180 [melbourne plant] 24 march 1943
2842100613m engine # pr3858216 [melbourne plant] 24 march 1943
2842100615m engine # sr3858215 [melbourne plant] 24 march 1943
2842100706s engine # sr3857699 w.o.73 [sydney plant] no assembly date!
2842100711m engine # pr3874368 [melbourne plant] 14 september 1943
2842100712m engine # sr3857885 [melbourne plant] 7 april 1943
2842100730m engine # pr3874378 [melbourne plant]
28421000919 engine # sr3851790 wo12 (wireless) holden-assembled