Float Out - Frame Trailer In
 

Grant conducting some low level air traffic control (or just trying to entice the local wild turkeys):

Coming Down to Earth
 

Grant breathes easier as the comm box is lowered onto its resting place. Nice fit by the way!

Bob's Doghouse?
 

Grant's comm box just might do double duty as Bob's doghouse. I will probably need to join him if we forget Mother's Day next Sunday...

Rolling Frame?
 

Bob moves Grant's frame into the shelter near the front of the barn. The shelter provides a drier locale than the shed and is much closer to the tools. Rent is still to be negotiated...

Hi Rob,

Great pictures. Were do you guys find the time to go on all the road trips for parts.

Cheers, :cheers: :remember
Greg

Time is easy....
 

.... you first have to find the parts.......

I am convinced that you cannot restore a CMP with only one vehicle....unless you go it surplus from the motor pool afetr a complete overhaul.

I cannot count the times we ran out in the snow or rain to check how a particular part fits or which model has it..... or how was the throttle linkage set again.... is the frame drill at this palce on all of the or is this hole to be plug welded...etc.

Or how many times we have runout to get a brass brake line block... or even an elusive 7/16 fine thread nut after stripping it or loosing it under the work bench.

.....and we are always open to trade with others so they may achieve their specific restoration goal.

Now the Rotters are even contemplating collecting UC..... will ti ever end.....

Bob

Re: Time is easy....
 

Bob! Loose lips sink ships! You let the cat out of the bag... This may be a non-starter project if the wives read this.

For everyone in the Ottawa areas info - the intended target UC is not the Bob's Lake UC (good luck pulling that one out of the Ontario muskeg...).

IF we do recover our target UC, we intend to trade it off or sell parts. Maybe Bob will get the AFV bug?? More to follow at a much later date.

Time
 

Greg,

With the exeption of the Barrie Flea Market and CC events, most of our trips are day trips. One day out of the weekend dedicated to the hobby does not put too much strain on my family life. I am lucky to have an understanding wife, and Bob's wife likes me hanging around Bob to keep an eye on him.

You are lucky in that you can walk to your truck, and you have one of the foremost authorities on CMPs as your neighbour. The trick is to get your oldest interested in the hobby and kill two birds with one stone (work on the truck and keep an eye on the boy).

Childhood is fleeting, so taking care of the kid(s) usually trumps hobbies. I guess one needs to find the proper balance in life and set priorities. When Jesse is a little older, I'll be dragging him along to the barn more often to earn his keep.

Aaarrrggghhhh!!!!
 

...brace yourslef the skitters are out....big suckers.....

If you guys are coming over this weekend..... wear a cup in your athletic supporter......

....and bring bug repellents or big steaks to distract them......

If we get the thunderstorm tomorrow afternoon be prepared to give blood!!!!

.... the ol' 'puter is still trying hard..... the new one is due for a breach delivery tomorrow....... ripping through my bank account...

BooB

Re: Aaarrrggghhhh!!!!
 

Not surprising. I saw this sign in the woods nearby...

Springtime in Hammond
 

NIce day, Saturday. A little cool, but warm enough for the bugs to attack in force. Bob was away on family business, but will return on Sunday. Grant and I spent the day puttering around our frames.

I spent the afternoon "respringing" two of my HUP seat backs. I used ordinary screen door springs purchased in bulk at Princess Auto, and I bought a ton of rings for the interior attachment points. Some fun...it took about an hour per seat.

Springs and Rings
 

I got a PM asking about spring and ring size. The springs I obtained from Princess on sale. They are your standard screen door return springs. I'll see if the part number is on the labels of my remaining springs. Nonetheless, find some springs at the local hardware shop and they should do the job - don't worry about how they will look because they should be covered by the seat back anyway...

The rings I got from Spaenaur - P/N MH-20 (7/8 ID) - they sell them by the box of 100, so if you need some rings (9 per seat), I will have some rings for sale at nominal price (cost recovery) at CC in June. When compared to the original rings, the replacements look a little larger. But it saves on the number of replacement springs you will need. For you cheap screws, these nickel plated steel rings make good wedding bands.

A caution on cutting springs - wear gloves and invest in a good set of side-cutters. After cutting the springs to length, you will have to curl up one or both ends into improvised hooks. They get really sharp and do a number on cheap leather gloves (and the underlying skin too!).

Ultimately, all that matters is that your seat back offers some resistance and support while you fight your CMP down the road.

Hi Rob

Thanks for the clarification on the springs and rings.

Is this the part #/ description 8097412- 14" compression spring, $3.99

How many did you use per seat?

Thanks again

Spring P/N
 

Jordan,

The photo shows the part number from Princess, the relative size to a HB pencil and a blurry comparison old to new (the old being a little larger diameter and therefore more robust). The springs came in a bundle of five and were on sale for $3.00 per bundle, so I snagged all in sight. I used six of these springs for each seat.

CC&F
 

An engineer I worked with at Bristol Aerospace told me he'd worked at CC&F during WWII and his first job was working on dive bomber dive brakes and Wikipedia tells me it would have been for the Curtiss Helldiver:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Car_and_Foundry


Nice progress on the HUP, Rob - I've been going at a snail's pace for some time now, because of time and shop location, but hope to make some progress during June vacation. Still fretting over brake lines - would you have a p/n for the front pair, as the two I have are much too short (wrong p/n) - these are the lyre-and-clip style, as the old thread-and-nut attachment seem NLA, as far as I can tell.

Re: CC&F
 

Mark,

Will send a photo of the tag on my front brake line later tomorrow. I too, had to use the lyre and clip but with a local modification - photos tomorrow.

Brake Lines
 

Mark,

Here is a shot of the brake lines on my HUP. The p/n was not visible on the front hoses - just the diameter. However, if you go to Jim Carter Antique Trucks and do a search for p/n ME 136, it will take you to the brake hose section where you can shop by length.

As for attaching, I used a jam washer between the neck of the hose and the bracket, and a metal U clip on the other side of the bracket.

Part No
 

And here is Jim Carter's p/n - note made in Argentina...

Bob and Grant were busy Saturday.
 

Bob and Grant managed to shoehorn the "new" transfer case into Bob's frame. Both are in Toronto picking up a parts frame. I however, remain in domestic bondage this afternoon...

Another Tx Case Shot
 

Pic 2.

Rob, thanks for p/ns and pics - all the lines and bits are out in the country, so I will have to wait till Tues. to get measurements and sort out the stuff - if I have time. I need to replace belt on Snapper mower, finish mowing about an acre, then organize trailer to bring Land Rover into ’Peg for the summer. Then take trailer back out on Wed., 300 km round trip.

I need time off to work on stuff, but my employer would only too gladly give me an unlimited supply of it, so I need to keep the nose to the grindstone. Two weeks vacation at start of June, then nil until September at the earliest.

US Chev Parts Sources
 

I tend to use Jim Carter's Antique Truck as my Chev brake line suppliers - even with the import fees, travel costs and postage, most of their parts are cheaper than the exact same part here in Canada.

See: http://www.oldchevytrucks.com/cgi/htmlos.exe/start.htm
Click on the appropriate year range and enjoy the shopping.
These folks are nice to talk with and will help you as much as they can.

Mark, the brake hoses are at the fol URL:http://www.oldchevytrucks.biz/catalog4/00062.htm

Look what followed Bob home
 

After a relaxed 0800 start Bob and I headed down to the wilds of the Greater Toronto Area to collect his latest acquisition, a Cab 12 C15A that had a few minor additions: a winch, several feet of frame, 20 inch wheels all round with the fronts welded to 16" CMP outers, dual rear wheels (civvy pattern). Overall it is in surprising shape. You don't really expect to find 65+ year old army trucks in the middle of the largest city in the country but there it was.
By the time we arrived home we had added two more straps to the hold down collection. They were needed because the 65+ year old wood used to secure the roof of the cab to the windshield header and stiffen the door edges couldn't withstand the air pressures generated but the 65+mph speed of the modern Ford towing rig. When we stopped for fuel we noticed that the roof had detached at the leading edge and was showing signs of peeling back. Suitable corrective measures were taken.
Dinner and bed beckon. With luck, more photos will follow in the near future.

Re: Look what followed Bob home
 

I had the same problem hauling my Pattern 12 home, as soon as the roll back car carrier it 65MPH the Pattern 12 became a convertible, with the roof and back of the cab trying to fold back over the body. Ended up adding two straps over the top and down to the front bumper.

Same problem, same solution. We hadn't thought before we started the tow about it happening, nor did we see it starting to happen. It was pure dumb luck that we caught it before we developed a "sunshine roof" (although it was a little drizzly for part of the drive home). Even more importantly it was caught before the roof parted company to land on a following vehicle. A new item has been added to the checklist for trailering CMPs, particularly Cab 11 & 12 but I'll be checking the bolts on Cab 13s to be sure they won't do the same. Through all this the trim/reinforcing moulding strip didn't get lost, it just dropped onto the hood where we found it at the fuel stop.

Cab 12 C15A
 

Was this truck on ebay a few months ago? If not there is another one in Toronto.
Paul

Yes, the truck was on E-Bay, however Bob is working on another lead as well.
In addition,while we were loading the truck onto the traier a gent stopped to ask if we were interested in several older cars that his wife was pressuring him to sell, most were 60s or 70s and a bit modified so we politely told him that we were only working on old army trucks. At this point he said he knew of a WW1 jeep. we refrained from laughing at the historical inaccuracy and left contact information so he could let us know if the owner was interested in selling and so that more details could be passed on. As much as the precise nature of a "WW1 Jeep" might be doubtful, the "whatever it really is" might be something interesting.

Ajax cab 12 recovery.....
 

..... well it followed us home......

Picture of the former owner Ted and new owner.....

All loaded up with the able assistance of my helper Grant.....

Ted was surprised how well we were equipped withthe winch and all and how fast we coiuld load up. Another happy customer.

How to stitch.....
 

.... we have heard comments before from so called professional truck drivers that we use more chains than need for a 40 ton load... but in our defence we have not lost anything yet.

However......
 

.... we tend to spend too much time on the heavy bottom end and tend to forget the lighter top end. Lucky for use we got it in time.

When we did a fuel stop I noticed that the 3/4 inch wide molding that goed around the top was now sitting on the cowl.

It seems that when we left we removed the cab 12 hood so as not to loose it...... air being rammed into the engine compartment by the rad openeing and the hood opening..... and the fact that the rear most engine cover panel was removed..... created one largemetal parachute.... the roof was easily raised by hand at least 8 inches. All the screws that held the molding and top sheet metal to extra dry wooden inside structure all let go...

So lacking duct tape we belted everything down tight.....