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Dave Stapleton 24-09-21 13:03

Triumph TRW Motorcycles
 
Hello from the UK.

I have just joined the Forum and own a 1957 ex-Canadian Army Triumph TRW. I am hoping to trace the history of my motorcycle and learn more about the use of the TRW by the Canadian forces. All I know so far is that my motorcycle was despatched from the Triumph factory on 1 January 1957 and supplied to the "Ministry of Supply, Canadian Army" (quote from the factory records).

In 2015 it was one of 17 ex-Canadian Army TRWs re-imported back to the UK by a dealer in Wales. It has had one previous UK owner since then and I purchased the motorcycle last month.

Any information on where I might find out about my motorcycle's history during it's time in Canada would be very welcome (even if it was just stuck in a crate in some military warehouse).

The photo below shows my motorcycle as it is now with its UK registration number.

Dave

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d5562fcb_b.jpg

edstorey 24-09-21 21:15

Triumph Motorcycle
 
That is a slick looking motorcycle, although sadly most of the data on these bikes is no longer available and the search is even more difficult without a CFR number. More than likely your bike sat crated in an Ordnance Depot and was never issued to a unit.

Dave Stapleton 24-09-21 21:44

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Originally Posted by edstorey (Post 282129)
That is a slick looking motorcycle, although sadly most of the data on these bikes is no longer available and the search is even more difficult without a CFR number. More than likely your bike sat crated in an Ordnance Depot and was never issued to a unit.

Hi, That's a shame, here in the UK the Army still holds all the records for military vehicle going back to WW2 and the RAF vehicle records are held at the RAF Museum, both sets fully accessible to the public. I have one lead that a batch 21 motorcycles depatched in january 1957 went to London, Ontario possibly to an Ordnance Depot but it was anecdotal and I am still tring to identify the location and depot.

edstorey 24-09-21 22:14

Vehicle Records
 
The landfills around Ottawa are full of good records. Mostly boring files about vehicles and equipment, the stuff no-one would be interested in. Also a large number of equipment files have to be declassified, which there is no urgency to do.

Robin Craig 25-09-21 01:54

Welcome to the group Dave,

saw you appear on the other medium recently, wondered when you would show up here. If Ed says its hard for the reasons stated, its sad to say but the Oracle has spoken.

Th CFR about which he speaks is a specific series of numbers that hopefully you can find somewhere.

Welcome in

Jon Skagfeld 25-09-21 02:02

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Originally Posted by Dave Stapleton (Post 282116)
Hello from the UK.

I have just joined the Forum and own a 1957 ex-Canadian Army Triumph TRW. I am hoping to trace the history of my motorcycle and learn more about the use of the TRW by the Canadian forces. All I know so far is that my motorcycle was despatched from the Triumph factory on 1 January 1957 and supplied to the "Ministry of Supply, Canadian Army" (quote from the factory records).

In 2015 it was one of 17 ex-Canadian Army TRWs re-imported back to the UK by a dealer in Wales. It has had one previous UK owner since then and I purchased the motorcycle last month.

Any information on where I might find out about my motorcycle's history during it's time in Canada would be very welcome (even if it was just stuck in a crate in some military warehouse).

The photo below shows my motorcycle as it is now with its UK registration number.

Dave

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d5562fcb_b.jpg


I was a Dispatch Rider in the Royal Canadian Corps of Signals Reserve during the late '50s and the '60s, riding that very type of bike. The CFR of "mine" was 56-90674.

BTW, picky point...the saddle bags are not the correct type as issued.

Thanks for posting and bringing back good memories!

PS...just noticed, there's something about the muffler (silencer)..it seems to me that it was somewhat "fatter".

rob love 25-09-21 02:44

How did the dealer manage to round up 17 TRWs in Canada? That is no small feat.



Can you post your serial number? There is a very small chance that it could be researched over to a CFR.

Dave Stapleton 25-09-21 10:21

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Originally Posted by Jon Skagfeld (Post 282136)
I was a Dispatch Rider in the Royal Canadian Corps of Signals Reserve during the late '50s and the '60s, riding that very type of bike. The CFR of "mine" was 56-90674.

BTW, picky point...the saddle bags are not the correct type as issued.

Thanks for posting and bringing back good memories!

PS...just noticed, there's something about the muffler (silencer)..it seems to me that it was somewhat "fatter".

Hi Jon, Thanks for your interest and comments. I was aware the saddle bags were incorrect, these were fitted by the last owner and are in fact webbing back packs. I am on the lookout for a pair of the correct saddle bags, which I am informed were green canvas with 'Y' straps? Maybe you can confirm this?

The exhaust system has also been replaced so the silencer may well be slightly different.

Dave Stapleton 25-09-21 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob love (Post 282137)
How did the dealer manage to round up 17 TRWs in Canada? That is no small feat.



Can you post your serial number? There is a very small chance that it could be researched over to a CFR.

Hi Rob

Thank you for your interest. I am still waiting to hear back from the dealer who re-imported the 17 bikes to the UK as to where he got them from. Below is a photo of the 17 outside his premises after they were unloaded. Sadly I don't know which one is mine.

I also think mine particular bike has had some minor cosmetic restoration at some point as it doesn't have the serial number on the tank.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4d816bfe_b.jpg

Dave Stapleton 25-09-21 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by edstorey (Post 282132)
The landfills around Ottawa are full of good records. Mostly boring files about vehicles and equipment, the stuff no-one would be interested in. Also a large number of equipment files have to be declassified, which there is no urgency to do.

Hi Ed

Thanks for your interest, I guess it will be difficult to trace this bikes history but you have to try, you never know what might turn up.

Jon Skagfeld 25-09-21 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Stapleton (Post 282142)
Hi Jon, Thanks for your interest and comments. I was aware the saddle bags were incorrect, these were fitted by the last owner and are in fact webbing back packs. I am on the lookout for a pair of the correct saddle bags, which I am informed were green canvas with 'Y' straps? Maybe you can confirm this?

The exhaust system has also been replaced so the silencer may well be slightly different.

Dave...Yes you described the saddle bags much as they were.There was a left and right, dictated by the buckle arrangement over the rear structure. I have one bag but reckless storage has allowed some mildew to appear. If you are interested, I think I still have it in a shed out back. If I find it I'm agreeable to sending it to you if you think you can tackle the surface mildew.

One point of interest... the front shocks (dampers) are prone to compressing sufficiently to allow the headlamp to smash down and be damaged by the upright licence plate so don't do too much cross country...the bike was designed as a street bike, not suitable for cross country operation. If you ever see a Canadian military registered bike, you'll invariably see the plate corner bent over in order to cushion the hit.

maple_leaf_eh 25-09-21 14:44

Canadian motorcycles
 
Welcome, and my condolences to your significant other. The Green Disease as we here often call it, is unmerciless. Just last week I was compelled to agree to drive 2 hours out and back to help fuel another member's need for military surplus parts. The disease is not pretty in its final stages.

You will learn that Canadian records, as Ed describes are sporadic or simply unavailable. The numbering system for land vehicles has a finite five-digit format and older records are constantly being overwritten as new equipment is taken into service. A few years ago I followed a staff car with the plate # 01234.

Good luck on the rebuild and the preservation. Too often the owners of surplus equipment delight in thrashing it to death and ignoring its maintenance. Parts are harder and harder to find and owners give up.

rob love 25-09-21 14:45

It looks like a bit of a mixed bag of bikes: some restored, some original, some civilianised. I am going to guess that someone harvested all the bikes that came up for sale on kijiji and various forums for a year or three. I have noticed that the supply of bikes has slightly dwindled on kijiji for the past while....prices have gone up as well.

Dave Stapleton 25-09-21 16:17

Having a look around the bike today, which by the way is showing 4,000+ miles on the clock, and opened the toolbox for the first time. This is what I found inside, the brown colour is old preserveative grease. Could this be a pointer to its history?


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...34b714ce_b.jpg

Jon Skagfeld 25-09-21 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Stapleton (Post 282152)
Having a look around the bike today, which by the way is showing 4,000+ miles on the clock, and opened the toolbox for the first time. This is what I found inside, the brown colour is old preserveative grease. Could this be a pointer to its history?


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...34b714ce_b.jpg

Now that's a bonus find! Our bikes were issued during a Canadian military era known as "austerity", thus many vehicles, especially for Reserve Force, were issued "MFU" (minimum for use). That meant that an item issue was bare bones, no manual, no tools, often not even a spare tire (tyre,lol).
PS...that tool box was just the right size to fit in a "mickey"=13 oz bottle of booze...for those damp and cool days ya know.

rob love 25-09-21 17:53

The GRAY Canada wrenches were common issue back in the day (and can still be found in some of the toolboxes) so the RCAF engraving on the one wrench does not really mean anything. It just means at some point that wrench was in Air Force service, and later found it's way likely to Army service. Often you did not order a wrench set, but rather had to order each wrench as individual items.



The wrenches themselves were good quality. I have many that I have acquired thru surplus yards in use out of my tool boxes.



I have found a small number for wrenches marked with triumph form the local scrapyard. These would have been out of Cdn service.

Jon Skagfeld 26-09-21 02:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob love (Post 282154)
The GRAY Canada wrenches were common issue back in the day (and can still be found in some of the toolboxes) so the RCAF engraving on the one wrench does not really mean anything. It just means at some point that wrench was in Air Force service, and later found it's way likely to Army service. Often you did not order a wrench set, but rather had to order each wrench as individual items.



The wrenches themselves were good quality. I have many that I have acquired thru surplus yards in use out of my tool boxes.



I have found a small number for wrenches marked with triumph form the local scrapyard. These would have been out of Cdn service.

Rob...were these originally known as Gray-Bonney?

edstorey 26-09-21 02:39

Triumph 56-90205
 
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Attached is a photograph of a Triumph being employed by 1 RCHA in Germany in 1961.

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rob love 26-09-21 03:59

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Originally Posted by Jon Skagfeld (Post 282159)
Rob...were these originally known as Gray-Bonney?

There was some form of partnership with Bonney that took place sometime in the 30s and lasted until 1961. However, a more common found brand from Gray, especially in the military wrenches, was Dreadnaught. That was a Gray sub-brand.

Dave Stapleton 26-09-21 11:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob love (Post 282168)
There was some form of partnership with Bonney that took place sometime in the 30s and lasted until 1961. However, a more common found brand from Gray, especially in the military wrenches, was Dreadnaught. That was a Gray sub-brand.

I noticed these spanners I have were marked Dreadnaught.


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