Armoured radio battery box
 

As promissed to Mike a few weeks ago here are some measurments of the armoured radio battery box.

The two side plates
Length = 17 5/16"
Height = 11 3/16"

The rear plate
Length = 16 1/2"
Height = 11 1/2"

Thickness of both is 3/16"

The lid is the same lenght as the side plates. It has it two edges bent to over hang the sides plate by about 1". Its thickness is 1/8"

Mike I will have more for you in the next few days.

Thanks Jordan, this makes it alot easyer, Cheers BIG MIKE

Mike and all

Here is a picture of what both side plates should look like.

The dimensions are

Length = 17 5/16"
Height = 11 3/16"

All the rivets are 3/4" of an inch in from the edges. The side ones are 1 1/2" from the top to its center and then 4" and 4". The ones along the bottom are from left to right as follows. 2" in from the edge, then to the next one is 3 1/2", 3 1/4" 3 1/4", 3 1/2"

The right side hole is 3" down from the top edge and 2" over.

Here is the back plate. This one has the POL carreir bolted to it.

The dimensions are
Length = 16 1/2"
Height = 11 1/2"

The hole spacing is 1/2" from the sides. The spaing going from top to bottom is 3/4", then the rest are each 3 3/16" from the centers.

Here is a picture of the inside.

The angle iron has been lettered so that you can cut them to the same size. My recommendation is to just cut to fit. I woudl put in the "A" first. The the two "c" and then the three "B"

THANKYOU JORDAN, SANTAS GOING TO BE GOOD TO YOU THIS YEAR , CHEERS MATE


HAPPY BIG MIKE

hi all, Anyone know what size is the internal angle iron on these boxs?.

cheers.

I think its the same as the rest of the carrier. Should be 1/4" thick and 1 1/4" x 1 1/4"

battery box
 

Hi, A couple of questions on Jordans info on the armoured battery box, The side plate rivets, 3/4" to the rivet centre or side of the rivet?. the internal angle iron 1 1/4" by 3/16" thick?. What are the measurements for the internal piece of angle iron with the cutouts in?. The side rivets are they 5/16" hammered flat on the inside?. finally the back plate screw holes, seem to have a threaded part welded on the angle iron, was this just on the back plate and not on the front angle iron for attaching to the carrier?.

oh,,,,,,also location holes for mag cherger box also, distance from rear please.

has any one got a couple of lid catches, just the bit attached to the lid laying around for trade please.

thanks kevin. :bang:

Battery box made.
 

Hi all, finally got my battery box made, used this thread with additional information from Jordan Baker and Bruce Parker, Bruce really helped me out and got me some spot on drawings and pictures. Will get some pics with it on the carrier shortly, got to meet that 30th August deadline for Nigels book.

thanks kevin. :)

armoured battery box
 

Hi, Interesting pictures from Ford Canada carrier production, confirming the battery box internal was painted with a rubberised black paint. A couple of others featuring instrument panel production and carrier box fabrication.

Many thanks to a carrier enthusiast for passing these on.

Kev.

Awesome pics Kevin.....where did you find those

Those pictures were in one of the past OMVA magazines. I think the place making them was a factory in Kitchener, Ontario. I guess a lot of stuff was contracted out to smaller sheet metal stamping places.

Kevin. Just wondering why you think it's rubber paint. I thought maybe it was the standard black primer used on a lot of stuff. Saying this, rubber paint makes sense for something housing batteries

pictures
 

Hi Rich, They are off this site ;
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/w...y/index-e.html.

Whats great about these particular pics is you see the actual people working on the home front fabricating parts and as most of us know to a very high standard.

check out the picture of George VI in the background in that carrier parts stock room and the old boy knocking out the carrier instrument panels, we can only pay tribute to there memory in keeping history alive in carrier preservation.

kevin.

paint
 

Jordan, If you look at the battery box in the store room, the inside is clearly still in this gloss black finish, the guy painting is only painting the inside, also looking at shauns Ronson carrier (picture attached) there are remains of this paint. The rear plate the box attaches to was also painted as the remains can be seen in the picture.

I have used chlorinated rubber paint at work at it look just the same, I am guessing with the use of enclosed battery cells on charge you would not want a spark from the hydrogen gas and to reduce the risk of shorting out the battey you whould benefit from insulating the battery enclosure.

kevin.

Sunshine Manufacturing, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
 

Sunshine Waterloo Company Limited

Formed in 1930 by the association of Waterloo Manufacturing Co. Limited and H. V. McKay Ltd. of Sunshine Australia, the company originally planned to produce a self-propelled combine in Canada for sales in the United States and the Argentine. However, before the doors could open, the Depression struck and a decision was made to manufacture more economical products such as dies and stampings for automobiles. During the Depression years, the company also developed and manufactured baby carriages, bicycles, tricycles, shelving and partitions. With Canada’s entry into the Second World War, the company switched to manufacturing war supplies, mainly bombs, anti-tank mines and components for planes and army vehicles. At its peak production during the War, Sunshine Waterloo employed over 1,200 workers, many of them women.

See URL: http://www.city.waterloo.on.ca/veter...spx?tabid=1342

Sourced July 17, 2011 9:14 pm.

Battery Box manufacturing at Sunshine Waterloo Company Ltd
 

Employees, Floyd Schmidt, left, and Howard Shantz rivetting bullet proof steel on Universal Carrier battery box.

See: http://images.ourontario.ca/waterloo/30352/data?n=6

Sourced 17 July, 2011 @ 9:35 pm

Army standard in Canada was always the use of a coal tar epoxy (non lead) compound paint for the battery boxes. It is that glossy black. You needed non lead so the acid would not eat at the metal box, either through vapors or spillage.

Anyone have any pictures or info on what the WS19 batteries looked like and how they fitted into this box?

Ive seen this picture many times of carriers sitting outside of the Ford plant in Windsor, Ont. However I only just noticed the black painted sqaure on the rear plate of the carrier. Check out the carrier just on the right side. You can still see the black poking out from around the edges of the radio battery box.

On the remnants of my rear armour it had the black square painted on, i always thought this had just been painted on at a later date (post war) just goes to show !

Sherman battery boxes are also painted black gloss inside. It is an acid resistant paint though and certainly not rubberised.

A google check shows that coal tar epoxy is still available through various sources. I would suggest though that POR-15 would be a suitable alternative and is supposed to be impermeable to chemicals.

Coal tar epoxy is not exactly rubber, although it will seem a bit flexible for the first stages of it's life.

Just wondering if anyone is able to measure up these two items. I forget who posted the original pictures years ago. Id like to make them up to go in my Wireless Battery box.

Thanks,

Jordan
 

The stud is 277mm long. 3/8 dia. 20mm of thread with a taper at the end 5mm long. the thread at the wing nut end needs only to go throught the nut, with enough on top to peen over. (nut and stud are fixed as one)
The bar, I dont have. Its hole centres will be as per where the studs screw into the battery box base.

Well that was quick. One last question, is the threads BSF or something else?

Jordan

Jordan
 

16 tpi. So you can use UNC or BSW (This suprised me, but the shutter knobs are 1/4 UNC/BSW as well)
I have just noticed a small pin through the side of the wing nut, to help lock it to the stud.

I made up a set of these suds today. I just realised I missed your note about the pin through the wing nut. I wrenched mine on pretty tight today then peened over the top. I don't think they will work loose at all.

Loctite..
 

Jeez Jordan..stick to models..

I wrenched mine on pretty tight today then peened over the top

http://www.loctite.com/index2.php?cc=ca
The hole in the nut is for lock wire..usually monel with lock wiring pliers to apply..
Used on aircraft or high vibration fasteners that are in high vibration areas.

From Wiki..
Safety wire or lockwire is common in the aircraft and racing industries as an extra precaution to keep vital fasteners from unintentionally loosening and parts from falling off due to vibration or other forces. The use of safety wire is a type of positive locking device. It also allows rapid and easy visual inspection of fasteners to ensure that they have been tightened. Safety wiring of fasteners is often a requirement to pass technical safety inspections in motorsport racing. Safety wire itself is available in multiple gauges and different materials, depending on the application. In consumer aircraft and racing applications, stainless steel wire is used, most commonly in .032" diameter, although other gauges are used for specific circumstances. Typically, safety wire is threaded through a hole drilled into a fastener or part, then twisted and anchored to a second fastener or part, then twisted again, usually with the aid of safety wire pliers.

Safety wiring
 

I used to teach safety wiring when I was an airframe instructor in Borden.
There are two types of wire monel and inconel for high heat applications.
Wire sizes range from .0010 copper for witness wire, .0020, .0032, .0040, and .0060 thou.
You only really need a pair of duckbill pilers and sidecutters but wire twisters can really make a professional looking job, and yes they are made to twist left and right.
Any one who owns a WLA OR WLC would greately penifit from using drilled nuts on the engine and transmission they are'nt called Miliwakee vibrators for nothing.
Vibration can loosen locktite and cause lockwashers to loose their grip, safety wiring is your last line of defense.