Kangaroo cap badge on eBay
 

See CANADA! Genuine WWII 'Kangaroo' cap badge. SCARCE!.

Re: Kangaroo cap badge on eBay
 

It sold for US $125.00. I sure hope for the buyer it is genuine. Here´s what the seller had to say:

Another Kangaroo Cap Badge On E-Bay
 

Here is another cap badge for sale.

No it is not one of mine. :)

E-Bay Item number: 6537570455

kangaroos!
 

Hey Jason,

I see a lot of kangaroo stuff is coming out of the woodwork lately, I think the price tag on this type of badge is a little high. Your stuff however is priceless! I was really blown away with the volume of material and condition your grandfather saved. We should get together again soon.

My Dad really liked the 157 Tac Sign and the CD (when I get a chance I am going to transcribe it so it can be more clearly understood in spots). He has the Tac sign in the rear window of his Plymouth... that combined with his Vet license plate has attracted the attention of a few other Vets in his town. Who knows, you could maybe make a few bucks selling other signs for other regiments?

I was wondering if I could get a copy of the photo showing your Grandfather in the FGH parade? It shows a few other 'roo badges in the columns... still trying to track down as many faces and names as possible...

Anyway, Dad and I got back from the Netherlands May 12th, with a little detour through Ottawa and the new CWM. Had a great time... really an emotional trip for both of us.

I just actually logged in for the first time in several months (usually just lurking)
Sorry I didn't respond to your PM from back in April!! I log in so infrequently that I never even noticed the feature!:(

Later,
Bill


Left to right:
Trooper Art Bell (HQ Sqn)
Trooper Ed Sawchuk (B Sqn)
Trooper Bill Miller,Sr. (A Sqn)

:salute:

Re: Another Kangaroo Cap Badge On E-Bay
 

item sold for US $105.00 to floydw2004

Nice to see you back, Bill!

Another restrike / copy
 

The badge shown appears to be another example of the repro / restrike badge. Note the "O" vs "0" and the tufts of grass with the semi-circular pattern.

FYI: 1 Canadian Armoured Carrier Regiment Cap Badge Item number: 6542231901

A repro methinks, compared to my own original. Damned good one though.

Geoff

Could you put up a pic of yours in this thread for comparison purposes, please.

regards
D:)

Hi Darrell,

Sunray says sorry, but the scanner is broken so no can do at the moment, but the "O" is too wide, the tail too thick, and there's not enough detail in the grass underneath it, compared to his original (that he has on hand right here ;) )

Sunburnt and mosquito bitten Ma :yappy: speaks on behalf of Sunray hisself, who is currently busy watching a video for trying to prove Captain Skagfeld a liar in regards STANLEY BAKER :D

Darrell (how the hell did you get that spelling anyway?), struth ref the scanner.

Jon, I hate you, but at least I left you a good stiff shot of rye. Don't waste it. :p

Karmen

Thanks for the reply. I will note the described differences for my own reference. If the scanner returns to life, I'd still appreciate a pic. You must make a pretty penny as Geoff's Aide De Campe.;)

Geoff

Darrell is Darrell where the family comes from (South Shore NS) and all other spellings are looked at in an odd way!!:D

Thanx again

regards
D :)

I TRY to be a good little helper ... and have my frying pan should the demands become unreasonable :D

Will do my best, but some of the repros are so good that you have to look at them closely in comparison with an original! If Bill Miller's out there, he has a good shot of both together... but the key to start is looking at the "O" - if it's perfectly round, it's a repro. The other more subtle details just confirm it. Some repros are better than others, though, and most of the reputable dealers will state up front that they're not sure, if there's any question as to validity.

Chris Brooker
 

The vendor of this lot is a long time dealer in Canadian militaria, Chris Brooker. He is out of the Washington State area in the US, formerly from London Ontario. The description is the first time I have heard these reasons for the differences in the two patterns of the cap badge. Personally, I would prefer the pattern with the narrow "0" and proper detail in the grass, etc etc.
One would never be able to determine which "O" badge was wartime versus post war restrike. At $125, for a badge, that many will dispute is original, I would pass.

Item did not sell, watch out for it hitting eBay again.

kangaroo badge types
 

Sorry for not jumping on this sooner, but I was on vacation in B.C. the past few weeks.
I will attach a picture showing the badge types side by side, hopefully that helps. It is hard to tell the difference if you don't have the other type to compare to.

Despite, Chris Brooker's claims about the 2nd Die Variety, I only believe that the type 1 badges are Wartime issue. Type 1 comes in a bronze officer's pattern (RARE) and the all rank's Brass (Scarce). Type 2 comes in two metals; A very "yellow" brass (Scarce), and a red/orange gilding metal variety (Common as dirt).
Gilding metal is a type of jeweller's brass with a high copper content that makes it more maliable.

There is a way to tell the difference between the brass and gilding metal type 2's. They have different lugs. The Brass type 2 has lugs identical to the original issue. The brass type are very stiff and could not be easily bent despite the fact that they are actually thinner (they look kind of flimsy) the gilding metal are a relatively "thick" stamping but can be very easily bent or even snapped in half if you so desire!

Where or when the Type 2 badges were manufactured is a mystery? Because the Brass type 2's are very similar in construction to the Type 1's (Brass/same lugs) it would be easy to surmise they are of the same time frame. However I can't see why two different dies would be created? The Type 1 "original" badges were only manufactured and distributed between January and May of 1945. maybe only 1500 were made at most (that would be 3 per man!My Dad only was issued a single badge.) that is not enough to wear out a die? Even if the die wore out and you needed a new one, why would there be a different engraving? The only badges I have seen in veteran collections are Type 1. Jason Spurrier's Grandfather had 4 of them! And even though he attended at least one large reunion, there were no repro's among his belonging's.

I doubt will ever really know where the repro's came from. Beyond these type's I also have various brass and plastic cast badges of both die varieties, these however are obvious fakes.

Bill.

Poi-fect, Bill.

Thank you very much.:D

regards
Darrell:)

Re: kangaroo badge types
 

It does, Bill - thanks!

H.

Here´s one to scrutinize with Bill´s descriptions: 1ST CANADIAN ARMOURED PERSONNEL CARRIER REGT CAP BADGE Item number: 6191832277

I played with the pic a bit... looks like a fake to me.

Kangaroo Parade
 

Hanno, you make it too easy...

Will the real 1CACR badge(s) please stand up!

Bill

OK I'll bite.
 

OK, I will see if I have this right. The authentic badge is the second badge from the left on the bottom row.

The ORIGINAL Badge
 

The ORIGINAL badge showed the Kangaroo with three babies in it's pouch. Also, it did not have the latin logo but rather the name of the unit. This was in a drawing supplied by Gaunt's of London. CMHQ instructed the regiment to lose the babies and to use the Latin motto. No actual examples were ever made of this but I thought that I would throw in my tuppence worth 'just to muddy the waters' :teach:

A Hint
 

In the picture I posted there are 4 wartime badges, but not neccessarily worn during the war....;)

Bill.

Sgt's badge
 

Bill,
I assume that the middle badge is an officer's collar badge worn with Service Dress? Do you know if the CACR ever received a 3/4 size badge to be worn by Sergeants on their stripes? This was a common practice with many armoured units, i.e. Fort garry GHorse, and others.

Re: The ORIGINAL Badge #1
 

Clive's post prompted me to post this:

The J.R. Gaunt & Son Ltd. sketch of the cap badge which Clive mentions above:

Re: The ORIGINAL Badge #2
 

From the letter by the Commanding Officer, addressed to the BRAC, Main HQ, First Cdn Army:

The three paragraphs from Lt-Col Churchill's letter of 16 Nov 44 pertaining to the cap badge.

Re: The ORIGINAL Badge #3
 

Part of the memo (dated 20 Nov 44) from DA & QMG to the BRAC, regarding the cap badge:

Re: The ORIGINAL Badge #4
 

The letter (dated 21 Nov 44) that Lt-Col. Churchill received from the BRAC, informing him of what was approved and what was to be amended: