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Marco C. 20-07-08 10:52

Need pictures from Materborn Rhineland WWII
 
Hello can here any Help me i need Pictures or Information about Materborn near Cleve and Emmerich in the Rhineland ...WWII

Ed Storey 21-07-08 01:26

Materborn Feature
 
What do you need the images for?

Marco C. 21-07-08 17:53

Hello i life in Materborn in the Reichswald Forrest and my Hobby is the Historik from this Town in WWII.
I'm searching Information of all Fighting and Working Canadian and British Infantry in my Home Town .
i didn't find Information and Pictures here in the City Hall
and in German Books is the Fight in Materborn and Cleve not ok

TColvin 10-09-08 20:39

Materborn feature.
 
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Marco.
Here are pictures of Churchill on a visit to 1 Canadian Army in Kranenburg on March 4, 1945. He is pissed. Montgomery refused to give him a drink during the morning conference with Crerar and Simonds, so Simonds gave Churchill "tea" in a tin mug. Churchill got more whisky at lunch. Here he is leaving to go to his car in a merry mood.
Churchill wanted to go to the front line, but his soldiers forbade it. So they drove him instead to the Materborn feature. Churchill had to stop every ten minutes for a pee; Montgomery fumed, everybody else laughed.
The second picture shows them (Crerar in duffel coat, Alanbrooke in a British Warm, frightfully keen Simonds coatless, WSC in a British warm, and Montgomery in some paratroop jacket he has acquired from somewhere) all standing on the Materborn Feature and looking across the flooded Rhine valley into Germany - I suppose towards Emerich. It was misty so they didn't see much - but over there were the Huns, so they were excited.
Can you please identify where exactly they were standing on the Materborn Feature. Is it called the Bresserburg? I suppose it is all covered in trees now so there may no longer be an Aussichtspunkt.
Tony

Marco C. 10-09-08 21:31

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Originally Posted by TColvin (Post 103240)
Marco.
Here are pictures of Churchill on a visit to 1 Canadian Army in Kranenburg on March 4, 1945. He is pissed. Montgomery refused to give him a drink during the morning conference with Crerar and Simonds, so Simonds gave Churchill "tea" in a tin mug. Churchill got more whisky at lunch. Here he is leaving to go to his car in a merry mood.
Churchill wanted to go to the front line, but his soldiers forbade it. So they drove him instead to the Materborn feature. Churchill had to stop every ten minutes for a pee; Montgomery fumed, everybody else laughed.
The second picture shows them (Crerar in duffel coat, Alanbrooke in a British Warm, frightfully keen Simonds coatless, WSC in a British warm, and Montgomery in some paratroop jacket he has acquired from somewhere) all standing on the Materborn Feature and looking across the flooded Rhine valley into Germany - I suppose towards Emerich. It was misty so they didn't see much - but over there were the Huns, so they were excited.
Can you please identify where exactly they were standing on the Materborn Feature. Is it called the Bresserburg? I suppose it is all covered in trees now so there may no longer be an Aussichtspunkt.
Tony


Hello Tony when it is the Bresserberg on the Top from this Hill stands a Tower it was a German Lufftwaffe Observation Post.
the Tower is now there 70 Years .
i can make Pictures from this Hill ... when you are interest

Cheers Marco

TColvin 11-09-08 10:21

Bresserberg.
 
Marco.
Yes, please.
It would be interesting to see a picture taken from the Bresserberg tower today of what these gentlemen were looking at. The Rhine valley was flooded from Emmerich to Cleve, and from Nijmegen to Calcar. Canadians had occupied most of it and were living in the roof spaces of flooded farms, getting around in DUKWs and boats.
By the way the photographs were from the National Archives of Canada and taken by Barney J. Gloster; PA-145742 and PA-143952.
Tony

Marco C. 15-09-08 18:46

So here is the Picture from the Tower at Bresserberg

http://up.picr.de/1308684.jpg

TColvin 16-09-08 11:05

Bresserberg.
 
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Marco.

Good.

But what I would like to see is the view to Emmerich from the Bresserberg.

Crerar, Churchill and the others were looking at the floods.

The map (from Stacey) shows part of Cleve was under water. It shows flooding all the way to Emmerich 8kms away, and Nijmegen which was 17 kms distant.

Tony

TColvin 16-09-08 11:13

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Originally Posted by Marco C. (Post 101272)
Hello i life in Materborn in the Reichswald Forrest and my Hobby is the Historik from this Town in WWII.
I'm searching Information of all Fighting and Working Canadian and British Infantry in my Home Town .
i didn't find Information and Pictures here in the City Hall
and in German Books is the Fight in Materborn and Cleve not ok

Have you looked at the book by E. Busch. "Die Fallschirmjäger Chronik", Podzun-Pallas-Verlag, 1983, ISBN 3-7909-0200-4?

He has maps - attached- of where 6 and Fallschirmjäger-Divisions fought, and a brief description.

Tony

Marco C. 16-09-08 13:38

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Originally Posted by TColvin (Post 103455)
Marco.

Good.

But what I would like to see is the view to Emmerich from the Bresserberg.

Crerar, Churchill and the others were looking at the floods.

The map (from Stacey) shows part of Cleve was under water. It shows flooding all the way to Emmerich 8kms away, and Nijmegen which was 17 kms distant.

Tony

Oh you will look from the Bresserberg to Emmerich
i must look a good place to mace a Picture there are now a many Trees in the sight to Emmerich ... but i will make a Picture for you
good Pictures i can make from the Bresserberg to Calkar / Xanten

This Picture is from the Gate in Xanten after the Battle

http://up.picr.de/1310524.jpg
http://up.picr.de/1310527.jpg
http://up.picr.de/1310551.jpg

Hanno Spoelstra 16-09-08 13:52

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Originally Posted by Marco C. (Post 103463)

Thank for sharing these pictures, Marco!

The last one reminded me of another famous Otter picture (see attachment).

Hanno

TColvin 16-09-08 14:01

Bresserberg.
 
Marco.

Thank you. But do it only if it is not too much trouble.

We cannot be certain they were on the Bresserberg.

I thought trees would be a problem.

Can you climb up the Luftwaffe tower and get above the trees?

Tony

Marco C. 16-09-08 14:13

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Originally Posted by TColvin (Post 103465)
Marco.

Thank you. But do it only if it is not too much trouble.

We cannot be certain they were on the Bresserberg.

I thought trees would be a problem.

Can you climb up the Luftwaffe tower and get above the trees?

Tony

i must look and ask the owner of this Tower when i were a Child i was on the top of this Tower
i will make a Picture for you

Marco C. 16-09-08 14:15

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra (Post 103464)
Thank for sharing these pictures, Marco!

The last one reminded me of another famous Otter picture (see attachment).

Hanno

oh yes Hanno this Book you have Send it to me
and Iam a happy men now


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