Identification Help
 

Hi All:

While I am pretty good at identifying the various models of our beloved CMPs, once in a while I need help with a definitive ID on a given vehicle.

The photo below was taken in the then Netherlands East Indies in 1949 while being used by Dutch Forces.

A good friend of mine runs a blog on historic vehicles in NEI/Indonesia and I try to help him with ID questions as well as contributing once in a while.

I believe the vehicle is an 8 CWT, but it could also be a 15 CWT. I cannot determine if it is a Ford or a Chevrolet given the composition of the photo.

Can anyone here help me with a positive ID of the vehicle???

Bill

Cargo box says 15cwt and the hood says Cab11. It does look low though, so possibly a 2 wheel drive?

As to Ford or Chevy, I don't see an oil trail, so it may be a Ford, unless the chevy ran dry and has seized.

That's a lovely picture, Bill.

I agree with Rob....4x2 Cab 11 C15 or F15. Is that a hole to gain access to the rad filler cap? I have the top of a C15 radiator here, with a (second) filler cap in that location....so a Chev in Dutch service?

Also note the headlight has been replaced by a smaller example and the doors have been removed.

Alex

Fords had the filler cap sticking up through the radiator shroud but with Chevs you had to remove the hood to get at the cap. With a Ford you wouldn't need to make outside access to the cap but on Chevs it might be a nice addition, so I'm betting it would be a Chev.

Thanks very much to all of you for the help. :note: :note:

I have passed the information on to my Indonesian friend.

Bill

If i hold a picture from my C15 next to this picture , it looks higher , so I think it is a C15A . The "hole" in the radiator schroud could also be a shade , no chev or Ford have a hole in that position.

I was guessing at 2 wheel drive because the driver is sitting in the cab with what appears to be one foot resting on the ground. Either he has very long legs or it is a low truck.

15 Cwt
 

I think the thin steering wheel makes it a Ford. The Chev black steering wheels were noticeably thicker than the Ford ones.

Keith .Yes you are right about the steering wheel , if I make the pictures the same size from my C15 ,and this picture , the steering is thicker on my C15.

Here is the radiator top I mentioned earlier. I know it's speculation, but to me the black spot in Bill's picture is too dark to just be a shadow (compare with shown on fender) and has to be an actual hole in the panel. A hole which could provide access to a filler cap as in the pic attached. Hole, not factory, but maybe field/post war mod(?)

The rad top in the picture attached came from a French C15. The complete rad is the original from my C8.

I am still betting on a 4x2; I agree with Rob's comment on the drivers leg, but what settles it for me is the position of the rear wheel when compared with the lower edge of the body. A 4x2 shows the top of the tyre about level with the lower edge of the body, or even slightly above the lower edge; A 4x4 shows the top line of the rear wheel below the lower edge of the body.

Alex

Wy should a radiator need 2 filling points ? 11/12 cab uses the rear version , maybe the other is a 13 cab version converted for use in 11/12 cab

Your guess is as good as mine, Maurice. Maybe it's a cab13 rad retrofitted to a cab 11 as you say.


I put Bill's picture in Google picture search to see if it appears on other websites and found it here:

http://www.41afdva.net/Fotos_41%20RVA.htm

This site shows another picture of a (the same?) cab 11, although the picture is mirrored. I corrected the orientation of the picture and attached it to this thread. C15 Cab11.


Alex

That picture is definitely a Chev and it has that hole in the rad cover.

.... and the artillery piece is a 25-pdr fitted with a muzzle brake, so a British (or Canadian?) manufactured/supplied weapon, not Australian. Not sure if the Brits were using 25-pdrs with muzzle brakes in late 1941/early 1942, but if not (as I suspect), then this item must have been supplied to the Dutch later in the war or post-war. The Australian Government transferred a lot of equipment to the RNEIA in 1945-46, but this 25-pdr was not part of that, as Australia did not start fitting muzzle brakes to towed 25-pdrs until the early 1960s.

Mike

If it's the same truck, then it's at a different time. The truck shown in the second photo has it's superstructure.

And it has a different length wiper blade

Again, my friends, thanks for all of the help.

I have identified it as a C15 2WD based on what I read here, I hope it was correct for my Indonesian mate.

Bill