Tire vote: New Production 10.50-16 Sand Tires...
 

Since the R-3 tire that I presented for new production is not as popular (though still included here) as I thought, I have a couple of other thread patterns that I would like to consider for a vote... Unfortunately, without your input this project will go nowhere...

Dimensions/specs are the same as before:

Overall Diameter: 920 mm or 36.25"

Section Width: 254 mm or 10.0"

Sidewall height: 215 mm or 8.46"

Classification: Agriculture-Industrial Equipment/Implement
Construction: Belted Bias-Ply (TL/TT)
Certification: Same as the existing 10:50 x 16 Chevron tires. This is considered an implement/Agricultural tire and therefore not blocked for importation...

WARNING/NOTE: THIS IS NOT a 55-75 MPH HIGHWAY TIRE.

Style/thread pattern: T.B.D.
Ply: 12
Thread Depth: 15/32
Standard Rim - flange: 6.0 - 8.00

Max Load Range: 1399 KG or 3086 LBS
Pressure: 3 - 4.5 Bar (43 - 65 PSI)
Load Index: 120 (1399 KG/3086 LBS)

Speed rating: F (50 MPH or 80 KM/H)
Weight: 26.3 KG (58 LBS)

So going through the photos top to bottom we can vote for A, B, C, D and E respectively... Thank you.


A
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B
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C
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D
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E
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Hello Philip,

From a wartime publication, here is a page with "Sand Type" tyre characteristics to help ID the tyres in your post above:

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Tire vote: New Production 10.50-16 Sand Tires...
 

Hello Hanno,

Thank you very much for the post... That is the most I have seen regarding the subject, believe it or not...

New Production 10.50-16 Sand Tires
 

Five years down the road and we still don't have a tire that comes even close to the 10.50-16 in size or style... :giveup

10.50-16 TIRES- TYRES-TIRES..@#$!@

As I embark again on this venture, I still have the greatest obstacle to the project, proper sized tires with the correct design...
I won't say much more than the fact that I have at least two companies willing to listen, yet the first question always is:

HOW MANY CAN YOU BUY/HOW MANY DO YOU WANT TO BUY???

And my question to this group and anyone with a larger than a 3/4 ton truck, is it worth the $$$ headache and aggravation? Can we get a petition/commitment going? I'm not asking for funds, but only a firm commitment to purchase down the road... Cost will not be any more than the current 10.50-16 tires available...

Barry ring was able to produce the 9.50-16 and 10.50-16 Chevron design, but unfortunately not "correct pattern" for us... I really wished he would have come up with something close in design to what we need after all this time... Not faulting him, his project, period...

As for the actual process, you can produce a tire from scratch, or find a company with the approximate right size (35" tall) casing...
(I have) and I can finish the tire with a strip tread of your choice... This way is cheaper than going about it with a clamshell mold from scratch...

I'm attaching three modern designs, close to what was available in the 40's... Unfortunately these are all 20" tires, and we need them for 16" rims...
Anyway, gentlemen, can you please help with clear opinions/commitment or at least chose a tire design?

Thank you.

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Hello Philippe,

I commend you for trying to find tyres in the exact size and pattern. It can be done by having tyres made to your specification. Barry Ring of Empire Tyres has taken up the gauntlet and is offering various sizes in WW2 patterns to the collectors market. Maybe you can ask him about the viability of your quest?

Otherwise, I would think a BKT AW702 tyre in 10.50-16 size is an acceptable sand type pattern.

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https://www.bkt-tires.com/ww/us/aw-702

New Production 10.50-16 Sand Tires....
 

Hello Hanno,

Great to hear from you! :)

I am more than open to ideas and suggestions-always from anyone... As for the BKT AW-702 tire, I just looked at the size chart for a 10.50-16 and it comes to 38-3/8" tall which is too tall for the early WA Chevs. unfortunately....

The tire that that have in mind is roughly a 36" x10" to mirror the original sand tires in size... :bang:

Hi Philippe, I commend you for your tenacity! In another message I read you plan to retread a tyre. While that would give you plenty of options for a carcass, the negative side of a retreaded tyre is that the running surface will be flat, as opposed to the original balloon type sand tyre.

Anyway, I wish you good luck with your project!

New Production 10.50-16 Sand Tires....
 

I completely understand your point and thought that at least it would be better than nothing... Yet, the new Empire tires are a bit flat, but as I have found the original chevron pattern was also on the flat side, as opposed to the balloon truck/sand tire... :smoker:

Tire options
 

Personal preference Goodyear Sand Tyre

New Production 10.50-16 Sand Tires
 

Gordons, I'm with you on the Goodyear R3, with my second favorite being the Firestone, followed by the Dunlop...

But I only got one interested person, (YOU..:) that means 20 tires, assuming you would want two sets like me... :smoker:

Most companies are looking for a minimum of 150 to 200 tires... We would need at least 15 people willing to commit to the project and it could take off...

New Production 10.50-16 Sand Tires
 

Guys, I have a large company in China willing to work on this Goodyear type sand tire/All weather:

https://goodtyregroup.en.alibaba.com/

The cost to make the mold is $3,200-USD... If only 10 people got together it would be $320.00-USD each. That way we could have a mold for our tire, plus the cost per tire after the mold is done afterwards... The more tires we order, the cheaper they will be... :)

I have asked for an approximate cost per tire without providing an initial number of tires for an initial order (which is difficult for them to provide) but I was told I would have a price tomorrow...

I also should emphasize that I am not doing this to make money but merely to make this impossible to find tire size available after 85 years! but it will not happen without any cooperation... If we can give this a "GO" there will be full transparency regarding communication with the supplier/contact... In other words, I will pass along the pertinent information so that anyone can check on the progress of the project... I also don't see an issue with each individual wiring the funds directly to the supplier for the project, that way I am not handling any funds...

As for the tire specs, the approximate size will be:

Height: 890 mm or 35-1/16"
Width: 245 mm or 9-5/8"
Sidewall: 215 mm or 8-7/16"

Very close to the original sand tire from a museum in NZ...

Classification: Industrial Equipment/Vintage Military/Implement-Agriculture
Construction: Bias-Ply (TT) with Tube...
Certification: DOT, ECE

Pattern: All weather or R-3
Ply: 8/10
Standard Rim - flange: 6.5 - 8.00

Max Load: S/D 1530/1350 kg
Pressure: 3 - 4.5 Bar (43 - 65 PSI)

Speed rating: F (50 MPH or 80 KM/H)
Weight: 22.6 KG or 49.82 lbs

Other ideas/comments welcome...
Thank you.

New Production 10.50-16 Sand Tires
 

As promised, I have an initial number/cost per tire of $95.00 USD-each, plus the cost of the mold. If 0nly 10 people participated and purchased 5 tires each, it would be cheaper than anything else you can buy out there and of the incorrect size...

NEW production 1050 x 16 sand tyre
 

Currently I have two very good condition original 900 x 16 Goodyear Sand Tires mounted on Dodge WC wheels, if I had a preference I would stick with the 900 x16 sand tyres not sure I would like the 10:50 x 16 balloon tyre on the WC Dodge's, maybe on the CMP they would look ok, larger wheel well opeing the height is not that much different from the 1050 x 16 36.25 verse 900x 16 35.20 width is 10 verse 10.10 the 900 16 sand tyre does have a nice look balloon look .

NEW production 1050 x 16 sand tire...
 

We can surely stick to the 900-16 size which as you have mentioned, it is very close to the 10.50-16 in size, around 35" x 9.5"...

As I keep searching for other options including retreading some new casings, I have come across a tire from BKT that is the perfect size with a pattern used for commercial vehicles from the period, but not sure if it was used on the desert... The tire is the BK-826, and it stands at 36" tall x 10" wide... Of course, it is not available in USA, but might be available in Canada...:)

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