CMP 15-cwt identification
 

CMP 15-cwt 4x4 truck with No.13 cab, yes - but: Ford or Chevrolet?

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This picture is used courtesy of Bill Miller, details to follow later.

Thanks,
Hanno

I say
 

ford
Max

Re: I say
 

Me too, Ford.

Can't read the W/D number, unfortunately, but look at that star! Hanno, I presume this is 1CACR? I reckon there's going to be a certain 15cwt in Holland sporting certain markings soon... :D

Re: Re: I say
 

Can you tell me on which identification features you base this? I'm not doubting your judgement (I say Ford as well, but you know I'm prejudiced :D), but I need to be sure.

H.

About the only feature that's not fuzzy and indistinct is the silhouette of the rear diff. It shows a step consistant with the Ford rear diff where the axle tube is rivetted into the cast housing. The Chev rear axle was pressed steel and wouldn't have this step. Unless, of course, it was one of the very small number of vehicles (Ford or Chev) that was fitted with the Chev cast axle.
Compare the profile of the front axle on this Ford to the profile of the rear in your pic, Hanno. See the step?

Re: Re: Re: I say
 

Ford mirror placement is the easiest indicator, Hanno (between the door hinges)...

Ford for sure
 

Not moving equales Ford... Fix Or Repair Daily...... :smoker: :p

Sincerely

Rolf

Ford
 

Looks like a Ford to me too - the battery box, step, tie rod and as Jif pointed out, placement of the mirror arm.

Re: Ford
 

Max, Geoff, Tony, Keith, thanks for the confirmation. I was going by the mirror arm placement only. The rear diff silhouette is clear to me, but I do not know the differences in the battery box and step. Care to elaborate, Keith?

So Geoff, you're right in reckoning there's going to be a certain 15cwt in Holland sporting certain markings...

And oh, Rolf, you just go into the barn counting cylinders and wonder why your truck has two less than a real one :p

Cheers,
Hanno

Re: Re: Ford
 

We want piccies when it's done... :D

Re: Re: Ford
 

Chev = Car Has Enormus Virility :yappy:
even if it has only 6 cylinders.....

Rolf

Re: Re: Re: Re: I say
 

Ford or Chev...that looks like a 2J1 box mounted on the vehicle.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I say
 

Can't really see the CKD bolt features of the 2J1 box...I'd say it's a 2C1.

H.

I'd like to add my 2 cents to the Ford/Chev debate that will always go on.
Seems like here in Manitoba, we only find CMP Fords, while in Ontario, Chevs seem to be the norm. I believe the reasons for this are as follows; in Ontario, the rust problem is so great that the Ford's, which would have kept on running forever otherwise, have all disentegrated beyond repair. The chev's, on the other hand, leak so much oil out of that puny 216, that they were afforded some measure of rust protection. Combine that with the likelihood that the engine probably died in the 50s on the Chev, and you have a vehicle in Ontario thats still a candidate for restoration.
Meanwhile, here in Manitoba, the Ford's just kept on running, while the Chevs and their underpowered hamster cages, all headed to the scrapyards back in the early 60s.

Either that, or the army, in it's infinite wisdom and vision, moved all the Ford's to safety in Manitoba, recognising the Chev's ability to self-rust protect.

Just food for thought. Oh, and by the way, I''ve had probably a dozen CMPs/carriers over the years, but have never found a Chev that was even remotely restorable.

Hopefully my theories can put to rest this Ford/chev bickering that seems to go on forever.

Sorry in advance to the chev owners if I have offended them.

It started with the army, in it's infinite wisdom and vision, shipping back it's prime vehicles (Fords) to safety in Canada, leaving the expendable ones (Chevs) for the Europeans. Luckily, some of the prime trucks were stashed away to prevent them from being shipped out of Europe, only to be discovered by some fellows who value real quality decades later...
:cheers:
H.

Hanno, you are likely right. Kind of seems a blackmark on Canada's reputation to leave the Chev's behind and yet take credit for it as military aid. Kind of like buying something on a "buy one, get another one of lessor value free" deal, and giving the lessor one to someone for a wedding gift; you still get the credit for giving it, but it likely won't be around too long.

Rob:

As a "puny 216 Chev" owner, I am advising you that you are now stricken from my Xmas card list.

Enter "pout" smilie here.:p

Just curious John, but do you mail that card ,on your list , to yourself , or do you just save the stamp?:D :D

Hey,, it wrote itself:cheers:

Sean