Hi all, Phil, I was more refering to the guys that are not into armour as much as we are.

Bob, I don't think there is any difference for what we are doing except for the price and red covers blasted steel a lot better than the grey. I have been using red oxide for the last 25 years or so.
Rick, I will be getting the glass done as well so I'll have a heap done for corowa and I am very lucky to have such great equipment. Good for lifting my expectations.

Colin.