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Old 04-03-14, 21:03
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Gents,

The problem with events such as these is the funding and what type of funds can be spent on what. In the case of having private MV's attend an event; unless a contract is in place "hiring" the MV's for the event, public funds cannot be used to pay for fuel and oil. The simple act of providing a lunch is deemed as "hospitality" and requires permission from higher HQ's. This is all dictated by the Treasury Board, not the Canadian Armed Forces. With everything going on these days, you can imagine the appetite for bending these rules.

The only exception to the above is when the event is funded with non-public funds, ie Unit Funds and so forth. The problem with non-public funding is that it is extremely limited, especially for events that are held by non-Regimental organizations like CFSU(O) for example. They are limited to Canex grants and so on. Since you cannot use public funds to pay for anything at an event attended by civilians, it becomes a case of determining whether the MV owner gets his gas tank filled, there are free hot dogs, or the face painter gets paid.

The whole issue with waivers and insurance is a two way street. (Keep in mind, I'm not a lawyer or JAG, so don't run with this as gospel) The CAF doesn't want you getting hurt on their property, and doesn't want anyone else getting hurt (especially another civilian) by your privately owned vehicle on their property. If the event is an open one (ie a Family Day) the cause for concern and liability is even more concerning, which is why they want the MV owner or club to have sufficient insurance. If the owner or club is not contracted or some kind of MOU is in place, it becomes difficult to enforce proof of insurance or determining if rides or hands on the vehicles will be allowed. That being said, financial legalities aside, all of this is subject to a risk assessment and decision by the Commander (not the OPI). This is why I asked about the "Buds Net".

Unfortunately, this is also why it is theoretically easier for DND to line haul MVs from the museum in Petawawa for an event in Ottawa rather than get the local MV club to come out. They can use public funds, and don't need to collect waivers, or get proof of insurance.

I guess the point to all of this is that what was common place in the past may not be the same in the future, especially with the legal liability and financial accountability (into minutia) culture we live in.

I will bent my Brigade's JAG next time I see him for the specifics and update this post.
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