Bayonet ID
The first one, with the cruciform blade is an Italian Vetterli Truppi Speciali M1870. It was used in the italian colonies.
The second one I've had no luck with. It looks vaguely Belgiun in some regards and I can't seem to match it up to anything Japanese yet.
It is possibly an export bayonet from a European country but nothing firm yet.
Eric
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