The first bike does look, as Richard suggests, like a captured or civilian impressed machine. It has that Northern European two-stroke look about it. Could it be an Ardie or Adler or something ? I don't think that the tank badge is the stylised eagle of Adler but they both made similar types of machine.
No danger of catching out Richard on WM20s. Based on the "C" number, probably a late 1943 build (good old Orchard & Madden again !)
Rich.
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