YUM!!! I eat now ... to heck with gravy, the sauce looked and tasted so great that I drizzled it all over the roasted whole veggies and beef. Beef more cooked than I prefer, but the good news is that I can get my teeth through it quite nicely thank you very much ... success ... so get your tire retread materials elsewhere because my roast is more than tastey and edible and I'm going to keep it for myself