Mk1* Rubber Straps

[Jordan Baker]

Im currently looking for info on the various rubber straps used throughout the Mk1* Carrier.

Ive gone through the parts catoluge and have listed the various #'s for the rubber straps. ive found there are only 5 different ones.

CTL 12117 Front gunners slot, Boys mount up front and the rear Boys Butt mount in the back
TL13274 Boys barrel support 9" x 1.75"
TL13200 Rifle mount up front and the rifle mount on the r.s. of the engine compartment
TL12633 Shovel, pickaxe helve, pry bar under the rear r.s. step
TL12551 Jack handle strap

What Im looking for is any info on the sizes and pictures if possible of the other ones listed. Rob Love told me he has an original of the CTL12117 and Ive also got an original of the TL12551 I will post up later. I think that only leaves TL12633.

[Lynn Eades]

Why is there so much apathy. I was hoping there might be other people amongst the 65 veiwers, who would present some info.
Straps. When you say there are only five, i take it that you mean that the others are canvas, because there are more than 5 straps.
You raise more questions than you answer.
TL12633 comes in two lengths. The stores replacement (shorter, and thicker) it may not fit.
I have some that need to be identified. Can you help?
Pics 1 and 2 are the same strap
Pics 4 and 5 are a quick release arrangement. Is it in fact U.C.?

[Lynn Eades]

I'd appreciate anybody coming in here if they can help.

[Lynn Eades]

Does that help Jordan? I bet this stuff we post helps a lot of people. I know I get a lot from your posts. Cheers.

[Jordan Baker]

Hi Lynn

Thanks for the info. After I posted saying there was only 5 kinds, I realized that I forgot about the ration bin and the actual jack.

From your first posting, pic 4 & 5 are for the tow chain. Ive only ever seen it in canvas.

C01UC 100842 is the canvas shovel strap. This would have replaced the rubber one (TL 12633 and CTL 12633)

C01UC 100841 is the canvas strap for the Boys barrel support brkt. Not too sure how they fit on the bracket but thats what the parts list shows.

TL7321 is in fact the strap for the tow chain. The parts listing then says to use CTL7321. The strap I have is the same from your pic 4/5 from above. I wonder if although they share the same part # they were trully made differently as shown from your pictures.

TL13822 I have no idea as its not in the parts listing

TL12608 Jack strap, can you give the dimensions for it please. Also is the end with holes have part of it missing? Would they have a hole that close to the edge?

TL13200 Never seen white straps before?

TL12633 Shovel/pick axe/crow bar. Just to confirm. You have 2 different lengths? Long is L 270mm, W 25.4mm, T 3.6mm Short is L 215mm, W 25.4, T 4.8mm

[Lynn Eades]

I'd say the white strap is natural rubber. yes the jack strap could be missing the end. I dont know why they have a choice of holes because in practice some would not reach.
TL12633 yes I have new ones, which I dont think will fit through the holes in the steel brackets. The long thin one is original. and if I was making them I would go with the original.
So what do you make of TL13801?

[Jordan Baker]

Absolutly no idea on the TL13801. Could it be an Aussi only strap?

As for the jack strap, Id still be interested in the dimensions of it?

Thanks again for posting up what info you have.

[Lynn Eades]

Jordan The strap has a TL number. The Aust pattern Carriers dont use TL numbers. Don't be confused by the fact that the Army stores used Aust pattern carrier labelled tags.
The strap could be from a Bren as opposed to a Universal, or it maybe from a Flame thower carrier.
I will come back to you on the jack strap.

[Lynn Eades]

Here's the jack strap. L,W, T= length, width, thickness. L&R is leather and rubber. There is a single screw hole at the connecting end.

[Ben]

TL13801 is listed in the British parts book, external stowage section, Mortar baseplate housing assembly, strap, securing. Only listed as used on 3 inch mortar (all types)

Page 56 of Nigels second book has it listed on the P6 illustration but no TL numbers mentioned, part 34

Thanks to Lynn for giving me the kick up the a*** to look for it.

Ben

[Jordan Baker]

Thanks for all the info/pictures youve posted. When I get back from my vacation I'll start in on making them all up.

[rob love]

Jordan
Better late than never, here is the measurements for the CTL12117. It is a rubber strap that is 18" long by 1-3/4 wide. There are two holes on the fixed end which correspond to the screws and retainer which hold it in place.

On the far end are four 3/8 holes. The first of these is located 4-3/8 from the end of the strap. The next 3 holes are each 1-1/2 further up the strap.

The end of the strap is squared off, not pointed, rounded or anything like that. Also, besides the part number being stenciled on the strap, it is also cast into the rubber.

I'll snap a photo next time I am in the shop so that all this makes sense.