Cdn 3-colour paint schemes

[Darrell Zinck]

Hi

Does anyone have the pages from the appropriate manual for the 3-colour (Dk Green, Green and Black) NATO paint scheme used on cold-war era Cougar, Grizzly, Husky AVGPs and the Lynx and M113s here in Canada? Without the brown.

When we painted them as a work party for the Regiment back in the early 1980s we were given photocopies from these books/manuals and broken down into to colour teams ....as well as prep teams and tacsign teams! Real Henry Ford production line stuff!

I am looking to find the schemes for each of them, as in the pattern and placement of the colours.

Is the CARF(sp) paint we used translatable to a Federal Standard (FS) Number? I'm looking to paint some vehs but not with CARF.

Any pointers appreciated.

Thanks.

regards
Darrell

[rob love]

There were two places to look for the paint schemes. One of them was in the FMC orders. But that is something you don't find laying around anymore.

The other source is more likely. You want CFP318-9 camouflage and concealment. The current number is something like b-gl-318-009/001. All the charts are in the back of that manual. You might have to hunt a bit to find a copy with the right era of vehicles.

I am unfamiliar with the CARF term.....how does that differ from CARC? Anyway, for the older cam patterns I use gillespie FS33070 for the olive green, the 34094 383 CARC green substitute for the flat green, and tremclad black for the black. The 383 looks a little odd when first painted, but after a week or so it tones down and looks alright.

The 33070 is not a perfect match, but the original paint started changing color the day after it was painted, and went through a rainbow of hues on it's way to a bluish colour after a couple years. I find it gives a decent contrast to the 383 green.

[302Trooper]

Darrell I have the camo manual from the 1970's that I got from 2 Guns back in 1982. I will send you a pdf tomorrow. send me the email you want to receive it at Brother.

Dave

[Darrell Zinck]

Hi fellas

Rob, that's really good info on the name and FS numbers. I want to use a commercial water soluable exterior latex and have had good success with that in the past (Petawawa Centurion in FGH colours). I will have a boo for those manuals in Documentum as well. Not very likely there will be older vehicles in the newer copy but I'll check. If not, I'll need to find the actual older manual unless.....Dave?

Sorry, we called it CARF and not the obviously correct CARC!

Dave, that's awesome. I'll pm you my work address as this will be done for the G1 here.

Big help there guys and many thanks.

regards
Darrell

[Scott Bentley]

Darryl,

I was able to find a pdf of that pub mentioned earlier with the hand drawn cam patterns in the annexes. If you haven't found it already, i'll start digging around to see where I placed it. It had all the old stuff like the Lynx, 113s, 5/4 etc.

[Scott Bentley]

FWIW, I went with Gillespie 34087 for the OD on mine, and as Rob mentioned 383 Green for the Flat Green. I've heard of guys adding talc to the 383 CARC substitute from Gillespie to dull it down a bit. Not perfect, but certainly passable.