Dodge wc in Canadian Army?

[Kenny Desaever]

Can anyone tell me if the American Dodge wc 51/52 have been used by Canadian Forces in WW2?
The Canadian Dodge hasn't been really used on battlefield, maybe the american type has.

[Kenny Desaever]

Perhaps, someone has some pictures?

[Eric B]

Hello Kenny

I have had a few requests like this over the years.

From those who are knowledable about US Dodges. From what i gather the official answer would be no.

Canada did not buy any mid size vehicles from the USA and i am not sure if these were provided to the British as part of lend lease. If they were provided to the British then it is possible that we obtained some through the British or we borrowed them from our US Allies. However this is not a vehicle that would blend into our own fleet and would be easy to spot.

I also have not seen any photos of these in Canadian WW2 Markings in the Archives or anywhere else.

In my search for 1/4 ton history i have not seen any Dodge WC's listed either.

Eric

[Larry Hayward]

According to Bart Vanderveen, the Canadian Dodge Weapons Carrier (T236) was used mainly by other countries but only AFTER WW2.

[Kenny Desaever]

Hello Eric and Larry,
Thank you for your replys!
Now we are sure they haven't been used by Canadian Forces during WW2.
We are still searching for a smaller vehicle than my Ford F15A. I had to sell him because of health problems (rheuma). It isn't easy to find a vehicle that's easier to drive AND that has been used by Canadian Forces.

Greetings
Kenny

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

May I ask if there is a serial number listing etc in the 'SM 5150' list? I have not heard of a 5XXX series Supply Mechanical Demand before...only 2XXX and 6XXX.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

I agree, all I have read and seen seems to disclaim the use of Weapon Carrier by the Canadian Army in NW Europe at least.

But what about this picture? If you look closely you will see Dodge WC52's towing 1-ton trailers with mortars. The picture is captioned "Victory Parade of the 1st Canadian Division in Rotterdam, 10 June 1945".

Is this picture showing as captioned? Or did they switch it with a picture of a few years later and does it actually show a post-war Netherlands Army Parade?

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Larry Hayward

According to Bart Vanderveen, the Canadian Dodge Weapons Carrier (T236) was used mainly by other countries but only AFTER WW2.

Is this one?

In service with the Dutch Army in Indonesia, 1945-1949.

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[Eric hermanides]

Hello Hanno

Nice pictures but there is so much wrong at this Dodge and the guys sitting on it but the right tire is Canadian .
Also a strange thing is the American star on the bumper.
Nice pictures to talked about with the guys when there is a discussion if it is original or not.

About the question if there are wc51/wc52 in the Canadian army I am not sure but there was a combined army us-Canadian maybe they use the wc trucks.

Eric

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Kenny Desaever

Can anyone tell me if the American Dodge wc 51/52 have been used by Canadian Forces in WW2?
The Canadian Dodge hasn't been really used on battlefield, maybe the american type has.

Kenny..
Here is a list of Canadian war time Dodges..
I got these manuals from the first General Motors parts man that was sent by the General Motors factory in Oshawa to England in 1941 to organize all the parts for all the Canadian vehicles that we sent to England for use in the Invasion of the continent on D day June 6th,1944..
He went on to the continent with the invasion troops and followed them with all the required parts and stores to keep our vehicles..He was hurt in a vehicle accident in Feb of '45 in Belgium ..and repatriated to England for hospitalization..by the time he got out the war was over and he returned to Canada..He was a Canadian civilian with an Honourary rank of Captain..so he would not have been shot as a spy if he fell into German hands,but treated as another military prisoner..
His name was Roy Tutt and was my next door neighbour and passed away a few years ago at 90..
Anyway these were his manuals that he used on the continent and if he had them there we were using the vehicles and he was providing parts for these vehicles..
so that is the story...
Here are the manuals..(by the way..all these manuals can be ordered in reproduction form from Grant Bowker..one of the Hammond barn crew..
The Canadian Dodge APT 3/4 ton was a cut down version to fit inside the Horsa glider..(Check the 98" wheel base..)

WAR TIME Chryslers..

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#48: 150 pages
WM 4143
CHRYSLER CORPORATION OF CANADA LTD. DODGE TRUCK Parts List for British Army Symbol D 3/4 APT 3/4 Ton 4x4 - 98 W.B. Supply Mech. 6423, April '45. Illustrated.


#49: 150 pages
WM 4152.
CHRYSLER CORPORATION OF CANADA LTD. DODGE TRUCK Retroactive Parts List for British Army Symbol D60-L 3-Ton 4x2-160, W.B. Supply Mech. 5150, May '45. Illustrated.


#49A: 120Pages
WM 3803
DODGE 3 TON 4X2(T110-L-S)160" WB,Drivers Instruction Book. '41-'42


#50: 220 pages
3/4 APT-D1
CHRYSLER CORPORATION OF CANADA LTD. MAINTENANCE MANUAL DODGE TRUCKS 3/4 TON,4x4 (Canadian) Airportable Wade Proofed. (Dec.'45). Illustrated
This manual includes MM-TPL/1 Tropical Maintenance Supplement - A survey of Potential Problems and Their Prevention in the Field. - In this section are included:
i) the whys and wherefores of potential troubles related to operations in the tropics.br ii) generally recommended preventative maintenance practices.
iii) approved protective materials and their general applications.
N.B. - section i) also includes what to do if your vehicle is attacked by termites.


#51: 200 pages
D-10034
CHRYSLER CORPORATION (U.S.) DODGE TRUCK T-211 PARTS LIST 1/2-Ton Model. (June '41). Illustrated
WC 12 CLOSED CAB - W/EXPRESS BODY
WC 13 OPEN CAB - W/EXPRESS BODY
WC 14 CLOSED CAB - W/EXPRESS BODY and Bullet Sealing Tubes
WC 15 RECONNAISSANCE BODY
WC 16 RADIO
WC 17 CARRY-ALL BODY
WC 18 AMBULANCE
WC 19 PANEL BODY
WC 20 CLOSED CAB - NO BODY
WHEELBASES 116 & 123

[chrisgrove]

Originally Posted by Kenny Desaever

Can anyone tell me if the American Dodge wc 51/52 have been used by Canadian Forces in WW2?
The Canadian Dodge hasn't been really used on battlefield, maybe the american type has.

The Canadian Dodge T212 D8A was extensively used by British forces on the battlefields of North Africa, though obviously, in that theatre, not by Canadian forces.

It consisted basically of the front end of the US Dodge 1/2 ton series, though with a hard top cab and slightly smaller engine, married to the body of the British (sorry, and early CMP) 8 cwt radio and personnel trucks.

Chris

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by chrisgrove

The Canadian Dodge T212 D8A was extensively used by British forces on the battlefields of North Africa, though obviously, in that theatre, not by Canadian forces.

Thanks Chris,

But Kenny is referring to the Canadian Dodge Weapon Carrier APT 3/4 (T236).

[AndreasS]

Mine is a t 236 no,,: 91151596 WC 52