Track jack handle

[derk derin]

Does anybody have an original Track Jack handle 17081?
I cannot find any images of an original one anywhere. Rob said they were just a commercial jack handle. I found an image of a Ford Model T jack handle that is very similar but the drawing of the track jack handle in the carrier manual has an offset kink at the end and a square notched out (I’m thinking to adjust your brake tensioner for the rear brakes) and the other end is slightly angled.
I believe there were jack handles made specifically for the carrier using the Ford designed handle they had for the model T but cannot find any proof.
I have the jack handle for the Walker hydraulic jack which has the same part number and could also be used with the track jack but would like to know about the other designed handle illustrated with the track jack.
Does anybody have information on this handle?
Thanks,Derk

[Tony Smith]

That handle shown in the Parts Catalog as 17061 was also common issue the Ford CMPs as well.

Very multi-purpose tool. As well as adjusting the brakes, the kink on the end fitted large size sockets, one that adjusted the 6 sided bearing retainer nut on the front hub of 4x4 CMPs, and another that fitted the 8 sided bearing retainer nuts on the rear of most Ford Trucks, including CMPs and Carriers. I'm sure the 8 sided scoket would also be carried as a Carrier toll.

See pic of bar and both sockets in THIS POST.

[Colin Alford]

Derk,

I am not currently near any of my reference material, but will do my best to point you in the right direction.

The Ford basic part number for all jack handles (even current production) is 17081. The prefix and suffix denote the actual application.

For the Carriers, there are 3 "Jack" handles that were part of the original tool kit: One for the Walker Hydraulic Jack, one for the Track jack; and one (the one circled in red on your image) which is used with the Rear wheel bearing socket and engine oil drain plug socket (images in Tony's link).

(The following is based on memory and may need correction) The handle that you already have for the Walker Hydraulic Jack is C01UC 17081 (might have a suffix), The one with various bends I believe is a C01Q 17081, and the one used with the track jack is a 78-17081.

I have all three handles, and can provide images, but not until this evening.

A couple of years ago there was a thread which included some discussion between B Harris and Rob Love which included images of 78-17081.

Colin

[Colin Alford]

Derk,

Here is the thread with images of 78-17081 (scroll down to post #16):

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=22527

[rob love]

Derk
I think the notch on the handle shown might be to lower a hydraulic jack as opposed to being for adjustment of the carrier brakes. That said, it would be awkward working with a notch in the handle like that. But if it is hard to work the hydraulic jack release valve, imagine how hard it would be to get quarter turns behind the backing plates in the tight area behind the axle armour protection plate.



As Colin mentions, the 17801 will be the group number from Ford for jack handles as opposed to a part number specifically. There will be letters and or numbers (or a combination, depending on when the prefix was initially created) denoting what vehicle the item was originally designed for, along with a suffix denoting changes in the item.


There is one of the handles ( 78 17801 ) with the commercial number currently on ebay. They come up regularly. https://www.ebay.com/itm/31361427490....c100667.m2042


Knowing Derk, he will not be happy with the commercial handle though, as it is too easy to get. He will want the military handle. I am attaching a photo of the track jack in use to compress the springs. Note which handle is in use. Yes, it is the 78-17801.

[derk derin]

I knew somebody would have a photo of the jack handle in question. Thank you Tony, and everyone else who responded. Now that I know it does exist, let the hunt begin!
Rob, you know me too well, with my OCD, I cannot just accept a close example of a civilian jack handle, it has to be the proper one! The fun is trying to find these items anyway.
That is basically the last tool I am looking for to complete my carrier tool list (I think) besides variants of the tools in question!
Thank you everyone.
Regards,Derk

[Colin Alford]

Derk,

If my memory is correct, the handle with bends (C01Q 17081?) does not fit in the handle socket of the track jack, as it is too large. For carrier purposes, this handle is intended to be used with the rear wheel bearing nut socket (BB 17033?) and engine oil drain plug socket (C01Q 17033?). For CMP use, (C01Q 17033?) is also used for the front wheel bearing nuts on 4x4 vehicles.

I believe that the hydraulic jack handle will fit the track jack, but the bendy handle will not.

If you have a copy of FUC-02 or FUC-03 handy, I believe 78 17081 is listed as it is the "correct" handle for the track jack which was modified from the period commercial Ford bumper jacks (78-17080 and others).

I'll confirm this evening.

[rob love]

Derk: I do not believe that 78-17081 is a close civilian handle. I believe it is one of the three handles listed in the parts manual, and was also used on civilian applications. If you do not have a 78-17081, you do not have the complete complement of handles that belong to the carrier.



That said, I have no doubt there will be some C01T 17081 out in our favorite surplus yard. The challenge, of course, will be to spot them in the acres of scrap.

[Colin Alford]

I am now co-located with the appropriate reference material.

The correct part numbers are:

C01UC 17081 A for the Walker hydraulic jack handle (B should be for use with the optional Auto Specialties jack but I have never seen any images of this type of jack)

78 17081 is correct for the track jack handle

C01T (not Q as I stated above) 17081 is the bent handle that started this thread which is used with BB 17033 B and C01Q 17033.

[Colin Alford]

Above I stated that I believed that the Walker handle could be used with the track jack. This is incorrect. Without use of a file/grinder, C01UC 17081 A and C01T 17081 are too thick to fit in the handle socket of the track jack.

[rob love]

So looking at the relevant page that Colin has posted from the parts manual, it would appear that the track jack handle is the civilian 78-17081 part number. The remaining handles seem to be involved with the hydraulic jack and some secondary uses.

[Colin Alford]

Derk,

Above you queried if C01T 17081 was adapted from a Ford commercial jack handle. I believe that it likely was but I don’t know the original part number or application.

My C01T 17081 is not original, but I added the bends at the end to match an original. What I started with was what I presume to be a Ford commercial handle which was identical in all respects less the offset bends.

I have also seen examples of these commercial handles with round vice square holes.

[derk derin]

Well it can’t get much clearer than that and the photos tell the whole story of what handles belong to what tool. Thank you very much Colin for your help.
Rob, we have some searching to do now at our favourite place to find rusty gold!
Stay tuned.
Regards,Derk

[Mike Gurr]

Colin,
I don't suppose you would be able to draw and post some sketches with measurements so I could make replicas of all three handles. I have the track jack and hydraulic jack and also the various sockets but none of the handles. Here in the UK I doubt that I will ever find originals.

[Mike Gurr]

Originals to copy would be ideal but though Surrey is not a big county I have not come across Andrew, do you have his surname or contact details or is he on MLU?

[Michael R.]

Originally Posted by Mike Gurr

Originals to copy would be ideal but though Surrey is not a big county I have not come across Andrew, do you have his surname or contact details or is he on MLU?

email sent to you Mike

[r.morrison]

Dirk: I was looking at a flat bar amongst the stuff I'm selling. I have no idea what it is, but given the photos submitted, I could see it as being a Jack Handle. It's completely flat, approx. 18 inches long. One end is slightly "tapered" and if I remember, there's a hole in each end. It doesn't have a "bendy" in it. (I think that's a cool word). I'll take a photo of it on Saturday and post it.
Hope this works for you.
Robert

[r.morrison]

Hi Dirk: Got out to the shop and took a photo of what I have. Not sure if I have a jack to go with it. (something tells me I do)

Robert

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Pic one just had to have that Vickers belt thrown in. Well done.

[r.morrison]

With my deepest apologies to Dirk....cuz I hate when Guys do this!

[Ron Pier]

Now look what you made me do.....Sorry! Ron

[jack neville]

I have a few spare handles. They are listed as jack handles suiting Type 295 Ern Lake jacks in the Fordson WOT 2H parts book

[derk derin]

After many years of looking I finally have all 3 (or 4) of the jack handles I need for my carrier tool list!
Thanks to Colin Alford for his guidance (and reference photo’s that I kept on my phone for 3 years) on what exact jack handles I needed to find for my tool kit.
I’ve had the Walker hydraulic jack handle for years now. It was the first one I found. After Colin send his photo’s I then found the bar for the rear wheel nut and oil drain socket. It didn’t have the bends in it but was definitely the bar. Then this spring my cousin sent an eBay listing on the track jack jacking bar. I don’t do EBay anymore but was so desperate for it I asked Rob Fast to bid on it for me. He said how high do you want to go on it? I basically said whatever it takes! I paid for that comment but I now have them all. Then buying Dave’s carrier the handle with the bend showed up!
And just to play along with photo backdrops, I too am fortunate enough to have a Vickers ammo belt to include in my photo of my 17081 handles collection!
Ron, never apologize for owning a Vickers!