Fox vs Humber

mstares · #1 01-09-07, 18:39

Gents,

I posted a similar question a ways back and received some kind offers of help, but here is something a litte more specific re: Foxes.

I am trying to compile sufficient references to scratchbuild a 1/35 scale Fox armoured car. Photos are not a problem but the set of drawings I possess have some measurement discrepencies between the views, limiting their usefulness for my purposes.

I know the Fox was 'based' on the Humber Mk III/IV, but how close were the bodies? Was the Fox simply the Humber body (with different fittings) dropped on a CMP chassis or was the Fox's body only similar in shape/proportions to the Humber body but with different actual panel sizes to fit the CMP chassis dimensions?

If the panel shapes/sizes were substantially the same I figure I will be able to work from the Humber MKIII/IV plan pack from the Tank Museum. If not, I guess I will have choose between the measurements on my existing drawings

So can someone fill me in re: the similarities?

thanks

Mark

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #2 02-09-07, 00:24

Mark, I think it would be fair to say Fox and Humbers (Mk.IIIs anyway) are very similar, but do have significant differences. The fenders, shock mounts, mantlet and the rear deck are quite different. Humbers also have a strange zig-zag method of welding not seen on Fox. The interiors and chassis are quite different as well. I've never actually measured panel for panel, but would suggest the hull and turret dimensions would be close. If you want any specific Fox measurements, I can be bribed with pictures of your Fox model as it progresses.

Neil Ashley · #3 03-09-07, 09:16

The next author who puts a book that a Fox is the Canadian production version of the Humber MKIV deserves to be shot.

They keep doing it and as Bruce has rightly commented, the correct version is the Humber Mk111.

Al Nickolson · #4 03-09-07, 18:50

Photos of Lance Skinner's Fox,, parked beside a Humber.

Regards, Al

Al Nickolson · #5 03-09-07, 18:52

Photos of Lance Skinner's Fox, parked beside a Humber.

Regards, Al

Al Nickolson · #6 03-09-07, 18:54

Photos of Lance Skinner's Fox, parked beside a Humber.

Regards, Al

mstares · #7 03-09-07, 21:08

Gentlemen,

Thank you very much for the replies.

Bruce, I suspect you will be hearing from me for a few measurements (I'll send a shot of my aborted first attempt).

Al, those photos are spot on. It would appear that (save for the fittings of course) the sizes and shapes are certainly close enough for government work. Now to contact the tank museum for the Humber drawings.

cheers

Mark