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14-11-03, 02:16
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GMC C60X in Russian Service
 Hello everybody, assuming the linked picture (above, taken from Bart Vanderveen's book) is showing a GMC C60X (in Russian service), I wonder what specific _body type_ it shows and, above all, how it looked _inside_. Any information welcome, thanks in advance, Oliver Missing (http://www.o5m6.de: "Trucks lend-leased to Russia") 
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14-11-03, 02:23
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Your site
Hi Oliver and congratulations on your site! Just looking at the C60L at the moment - what a lot of work you've done with the graphics.
Well done, but why is the Russian soldier looking unhappy driving? Keith
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14-11-03, 16:13
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Hi Keith,
I didn't want the driver to look unhappy, there's no reason for unhappiness when riding a chevy... Actually, the face comes from a wartime photo, just outlined and misused it. Anyway, I'll choose a happy face, next time... Regards, Oliver.
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14-11-03, 16:46
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Morris Commercial
Hi Oliver
Firstly , what a great web site you have ! Excellent drawings and lots of info . Some time ago I came accross this pic of a CS8 Morris Commercial in Russian use . I guess they captured it from the Germans who had previously captured it from the BEF ! Have you done any Morris CS8 or PU drawings yet ? Have a look at my web page http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/street/1759/ Mike Kelly
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15-11-03, 11:34
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AFWX
I was totoally amazed at the quality of the graphics! Well done!
I can add that the GMC AFWX trucks were probably battle-weary, or to be more precise, smashed, crashed and dashed by late 1941. I suspect that any that were supplied to the Soviet Union were rebuilt beforehand by say General Motors Limited in Preston, Lnacashire. I have a photo of such a truck minus front end awaiting rebuild.
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15-11-03, 18:54
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Lend-Lease to Russia
Hi Mike, hi David,
thank you for the compliments and the additional information. I completely depend on that information, hence my request for info on the C60X. Concerning the fact that some 50 models were delivered to the Soviet Union and I have just completed the 30th (the C60L), there is still a long way to go. Regards, Oliver.
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08-12-03, 20:23
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Russian GMC C60X sideview
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08-12-03, 20:58
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modified Machinery Lorry
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Oliver, Comparing Vanderveen's picture with your sideview drawing, you will note the C60X in Soviet service was modified with a door, a walkway on the left hand side, and spare wheel fitted to the rear. The C60X was delivered normally with Lindsay type house bodies in Laboratory, Machinery, Stores and Switchboard configurations. I have never seen the configuration as pictured before. I understand the Soviets were supplied with Machinery trucks only, identifiable by the workbench which folds up into the left-hand side. It must be a Soviet modification of a Machinery Lorry into a mobile kitchen or similar? Regards, Hanno
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09-12-03, 02:18
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Russian GM C60X
Hanno,
initially, I wanted to take the photo as the base for the drawing, but after comparing it to the other sources, showing no sidewalk, no door and no sparewheel, I, too, concluded that it must have been a somewhat unique field modification (perhaps a kitchen). So I decided to stay on the safe side and took the common type. As Canada supplied over 1,500 mobile workshops (not necessarily all C60X), the bulk of the deliveries should have been series production types. Here's another picture :  Regards, Oliver.
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09-12-03, 13:44
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Re: Russian GM C60X
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Oliver, Would the typical use of white paint on rims, bumpers, fender edges mean these vehicles were not used in front-line situations? On your C60L page you mention "only a few found their way into the Red Army Transport units". Do you have more info on any CMP vehicles that were supplied to the Soviet Union? Regards, Hanno
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12-12-03, 01:36
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Russian GM C60X
Hanno,
the info about the limited C60L deliveries comes from the book "Lend-Lease Automobiles", unfortunately no further info is given. AFAIK, the use of white rims, tire sides etc. were not very common before VE-Day and the parades, whereas white fender and bumper edges can be seen right from the start of Barbarossa. Another question to you: On p.264 of his OFVD, B.Vanderveen writes : "...American Marmon-Herrington 6x6 trucks (dump trucks and wreckers) were also used by the Soviet Union..." Any idea about these trucks ? Oliver.
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14-12-03, 11:47
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Left hand drive?
Oliver, your illustrations are outstanding and obviously much time has gone into researching and producing them. Fantastic work! However, I couldn't help but notice that the front view of the C60X depicts this vehicle as LEFT HAND DRIVE. Were there any variants of this vehicle produced in left hand drive?
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14-12-03, 12:39
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Re: Left hand drive?
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I think if you look closely at the picture, the steering box drop arm can be seen in the normal position as would be on a right hand drive vehicle. I have never seen or heard of left hand drive CMP vehicles, the Russians would have been grateful for anything, UK suppled various vehicles inc. Austins, all of which were right hand drive. Great illustrations, Oliver, look forward to seeing more. Richard
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15-12-03, 23:02
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Russian GM C60X
Tony, Richard,
thank you for the correction. Ever wondered whether CMP used rhd exclusively. The driver has switched seats now. Regards, Oliver.
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16-12-03, 09:36
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Re: Marmon-Herrington 6x6 trucks
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All I have is a picture of a Marmon-Herrington wrecker (see below). Reportedly, this is a "1944 Heavy Artillery Wrecking Truck" as depicted in "Army Ordnance" magazine, 1944. Marmon-Herrington practically built anything for anybody. They were one of the largest companies commercially manufacturing vehicles for foreign customers. For example, the Netherlands East-Indies Army could hardly get any equipment at the outbreak of WW2, because all producing countries tried to equip their own neglected armed forces. Somehow Marmon-Herrington was not involved in large-scale manufacturing for the US Government, so they had capacity to deliver a wild array of vehicles for anyone who came up with cash. Therefore, these Marmon-Herrington trucks could have been actually bought and paid for by the Soviets before the Lend-Lease program was started. If you have more info about Marmon-Herrington trucks in Soviet service, please let me know. Hanno
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16-12-03, 17:18
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Great, thanks a lot, Hanno !
Oliver
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18-12-03, 01:08
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Jeep Parade
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18-12-03, 22:49
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Re: Jeep Parade
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These are exceptional illustrations, they appear 3 Dimensional, especially the MB with the shadowing on the radiator grille. I'm waiting for my favourite, the Bedford QL.......... Richard
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19-12-03, 00:54
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RH vs. LH Drive
I have only ever seen cmp's with RH drive, although this is something that I have always wondered about. Was there ever any intention of opting for LH drive in a cmp?
The reason I ask this is that if one looks on a cmp frame rail, the mounting holes are there for the steering box on the LH side. The only thing I could think of at the time was that the frame rails were blanked out the same for left and right sides and just bent opposite for there respective side. Often times in manufacturing extra holes, cutouts etc are put in place rather than making specific parts, the blank adapted, bent etc to make the opposite. Any thoughts?
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19-12-03, 22:44
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Re: Re: Jeep Parade
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Regards, Oliver. 
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19-12-03, 22:58
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Re: Re: Re: Jeep Parade
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Thats great! Just like my truck.......thanks. Richard
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19-12-03, 23:09
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No information?
I personally have never seen any reference to lhd CMPs in the thousands of sheets of paper from the Canadian Archives.
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13-02-04, 15:48
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Re: Morris Commercial
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just reread the Russian "Automobile Lend-Lease" and found a table with British cars delivered to Russia in small numbers. And, indeed, it mentions "Morris Commercial"s and "MWD"s ! So, the shown vehicle could well have been achieved without a fight. Guess I will have to draw them, too ;-) Oliver (»www.o5m6.de«)
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13-02-04, 16:01
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drawings Autocar
Oliver,
I have found the 1/35 drawings of the Autocar/White U-7144T. They should help you to draw the U7444T. I'll try to scan them soon and I'll send them to you. Alex van de Wetering
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13-02-04, 16:16
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6-wh Machinery "A"
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Oliver, Just compared your picture again with pictures in Gregg's Canada's Fighting Vehicles Europe 1943-45. It seems to be a identical with the Lorry, 3-ton, 6-wh, Machinery "A". This type has an entrance door on the left side and drop sides for work benches left and right (upper half hinges up as shown, lower half hinges down acting as work benches). If you look closely, what seems to be a sidewalk must really be the lower body sill painted white. The only deviation I can now see from the 6-wh Machinery "A" type is the spare mounted to the rear, this was normally carried inside the body (or on top of the cab on some other versions). Hope this helps, Hanno
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14-02-04, 17:13
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Re: 6-wh Machinery "A"
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thanks for the info, yes, it helps a lot ! Can you post a good sideview of the "Machinery A" body ? Oliver.
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