Need some help with markings

Michel D · #1 08-05-12, 19:28

Hello i recently purchased a 1953 Dodge M37 and i was wondering if the two markings on the tailgate were ok .
The left rear seams to be the royal 22 regiment (67)

Michel D · #2 08-05-12, 19:49

The right rear seams to be the 1 canadian infantry division.

Jon Skagfeld · #3 09-05-12, 00:01

Here's what I've managed to dig up for you:

A 1953 Dodge M37, if it got shipped to Korea immediately in 1953 from the production line for issue to the Van Doos, would have had the unit sign 67 on a solid green square and represent 3 Bn.

BUT, that was not 1 Cdn Inf Div...it was 25 Cdn Inf Bde which was deployed to Korea. Formation sign was a red crusader shield with Canada across the top, a maple leaf in the middle, surrounded by two laurel wreaths, the latter three in yellow.

By June 1954, that unit sign was taken over by 4 Bn The Canadian Guards.

So...that was the situation with a 1953 M37 in that year.

Domestically, I don't know what the unit/formation signs would have been.

Although this doesn't fully satisfy your question, I hope it provides you with some information.

PS...I'm starting to think that your signs were applied by an owner who took some license.

There was never a 67 on a red square, there was a 67 on a brown square, but that was during WWII.

Credit for information due to Barry Beldam, Canadian Vehicle Markings...1939 to 1954, Vol 1, Ed 4, 2002.

Michel D · #4 09-05-12, 14:02

Those markings are on the first layer of paint so it cant be the owner.
and the 67 seems to be on a brown/maroon color.

Jon Skagfeld · #5 09-05-12, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Michel D

Those markings are on the first layer of paint so it cant be the owner.
and the 67 seems to be on a brown/maroon color.

The signs as shown are war time and would not represent an M37 during any of its life.

Michel D · #6 10-05-12, 00:40

Could it be an error from the army.

RHClarke · #7 10-05-12, 01:27

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Originally Posted by Michel D

Could it be an error from the army.

The army tends to keep somewhat up to date on such matters. As Jon mentioned, artistic license is the probable cause of this mis-matched symbology. Unless the previous owner was the inspiration for "Back to the Future".

Eric B · #8 10-05-12, 17:13

Hello

1st CDN Div was still being used and Vehicles in Europe had the Div marking on it.

I have a photo of an M113 APC with a white number 60 on a red background, being used in Europe by the Black Watch of Canada.

From the same era i have seen photos of Canadian Guards vehicles in Germany with a white 7 on a red background.
http://www.canadianguards.ca/guardair.htm 1962 in Germany

Any of the Dodge M37's we bought for Korea, stayed in Korea and they were the US version. This was discovered by two researchers working on a book for Clive Law.

This may not help with identifying the unit, but it does verify that the red background was used on 1st Div vehicles.

Thanks
Eric

RHClarke · #9 10-05-12, 17:28

That makes sense, now. Guards were in Germany as part of 1 CA Division until 1957. My apologies.

Michel D · #10 11-05-12, 02:01

So the markings are probably correct.

Jon Skagfeld · #11 11-05-12, 08:04

See my post #5.

Dano McLaren · #12 12-05-12, 05:32

I am looking for a ladder for my M-152 like the one beside the tailgate in picture one. Might you be willing to part with it?

rob love · #13 12-05-12, 05:56

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Originally Posted by Dano McLaren

I am looking for a ladder for my M-152 like the one beside the tailgate in picture one. Might you be willing to part with it?

Lots of those ladders out this way in the local milsurp scrapyard. Shipping would be prohibitive, mind you.

Dano McLaren · #14 12-05-12, 07:04

Hey Rob, looks like another reason for me to hit this scrap yard. I will be through there next week. Could you email me directions as to how to get there.dan@danmclaren.com

Eric B · #15 15-05-12, 15:36

Hello Dano

Based on the photos that i have seen and the info.

I would say your markings are correct for the 1960's in Germany.

I still can't say what unit 67 is, as i do not have the Unit numbering for that era.

Based on the colour photos that i have seen, it would appear that the infantry units had the solid red background while the others had their usual service colours as per WW2 markings.

I have seen photos of a 1, 7, 8, 9,17,35, 60, 68 painted white on a red background.

Eric

chris vickery · #16 15-05-12, 16:08

Never take markings as applied for Gospel...
My M38A1 CDN3 had markings that in no way represent any unit, known or unknown and made no sense at all. They appeared "original" but a 15 year old faded paintjob by the previous owners and some artistic license does wonders over time...

Michel D · #17 19-05-12, 21:44

I have found some information while i was talking with a guy in ottawa he thinks that the markings are correct and sent me to this site. http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/orga...ions/4cmbg.htm

The formation marking that was blocking me was the first canadian infantry division but the 4cmbg used the same making red with yellow maple leaf. So i think that it was the 4 CMBG And the 22nd regiment so the markings are probably correct.