5 degree wheels?

[Harry Moon]

While I was cleaning up the wheels for the trailer I found the split ring to be too wide, about 1 1/2 wider than the other non split ring. So thanks to Rob love I have a safety ring rim to closely match the Rim i think is original.
I went and dug out the "spare" that came with the trailer that was damaged beyond repair, see for yourself i don't know how you could do this.

By the way that's a Dunlap Trak Grip
Maybe they didn't figure out the left hand thread!
Anyways I found some info stamped on the rim, 3 51 K 20X6.0 type-RH-5• Patent applied for etc. The little dot beside the five is a small o signifying degree.

Seems to signify 5 degree rims, Ford, commercial pattern wheels....
I thought that was a British/Canadian thing only on 16 inch rims?
Or are these 51 dated as in the first numbers?

[rob love]

I replaced a tire on the Ford Cdn commercial dump truck last week, and did a quick assessment of the rims that were on the truck. I think there were 3 or 4 different styles, from the safety ring, to a 2 piece safety ring, and even a drop center rim. It is going to be hard to decide what the original rim is out of the bunch. In the end I think I'll be satisfied just to get the 7 rims I need for the set in whatever configuration they might be in.

Sorry, but I can't help on the 5° query. I can tell you though, that to make a ° symbol on the computer, you hold down the alt button and punch in 0176 and magically a ° will appear. Of course, us oldtimers will never remember these shortcuts, so I have it marked (along with how to make a ¢ sign) on the chalkboard next to the computer. Imagine that.....I use a chalkboard to make my computer work.

[Harry Moon]

5º It works! but I see on mac 5º with Alt and the zero. Neat Trick! Now I'll go through my life looking for the next opportunity to use it. LOL.

My wife wants to know the cents trick ....

[rob love]

Alt 0162 will give you ¢. And if you need to talk dough to those from the old world, then alt 0163 will give you £.

[derk derin]

Just when I thought I wasn't going to learn anything new today,at 23:40 tonight just before I was going to bed I read this thread and I have learned 3 things that I was always curious about.I hope I remember it tomorrow!
Derk.

[Lang]

Rob,

Wish we had Canadian computers, I tried your secret codes in every possible way and finished up with SFA appearing.

PS. Just read your post again and it seems it is a Mac deal unavailable to us PC peasants.

Lang

[Grant Bowker]

My understanding is that RH-5 is a particular design of split rim. Some people consider them particularly dangerous.
A couple of links from stovebolt.com:
http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/wh...dd_catalog.jpg
http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/wheels/
http://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthreads/...&Number=632556
I have seen negative comments on the safety of the RH-5 design (compared to other two or three part rims that are reasonably safe if properly treated) in several other places as well.

[Grant Bowker]

Another way of finding the keystrokes for the special characters (accented letters and symbols) is Start>Programs>Accessories>System Tools> Character Map. You can then either copy and paste or use the alt+4digit code. If using the alt+4digit method, note that the two alt keys can behave differently (some keyboards have one labelled "alt" and the other "alt char" to make the difference clearer). The other thing that may cause trouble is that you have to hold down the alt key while typing the 4 character code.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by derk derin

Just when I thought I wasn't going to learn anything new today,at 23:40 tonight just before I was going to bed I read this thread and I have learned 3 things that I was always curious about.I hope I remember it tomorrow!
Derk.

Well Derk, you are not quite old enough to use that as an excuse for forgetting that quickly, so maybe you can blame it on the diesel fumes. Get a chalk board beside your computer. My board is now chalk full of notes, passwords and shortcuts. If I could only remember what all the notes were for.

Grant: Those are some great links and answer a lot of questions. What I thought was drop center rims are actually going to be those deadly RH5 rims. Luckily, between the pair of trucks, I think I only have one or two so they will be weeded out during the restoration.

I consider all the multipiece rims as deadly, as I have seen the tremendous force from when they separate. They will bend 3 inch tubing, and knock a 200 pound man clean across the room. When filling any multi piece rim, make sure you have the rim secured. You can wrap a chain around the tire and rim through the center hole, or put the rim underneath the hoist or under the hull of your bren gun carrier. Always use one of those air chucks that clip on and with a long hose to the controller valve so you are away from the tire. Princess auto sells a short version of them, but I believe Milton makes the correct version. Yes, it's expensive, but even at $75 it's still cheaper than having the bone exposed in your hand or head when a tire lets go without warning.

I blew a small 16" mule tire at 40 pounds and it gave me a new respect for the forces involved. I was also present when an AVGP rim blew, at full pressure just as my guy was about to reach in to the cage to disconnect the hose. And during my last few months in the CF, I witnessed the aftermath of the worst case scenario when one of the guys at work did not use the cage at all, and was right at the tire trying to install the valve at an unknown pressure when the rim separated.

We all like to save a buck or a minute here and there where we can, but take my word for it, the gamble involved with not having the right tire chuck and not securing the tire while filling is a very high stake bet.

Back to the computers...here is one you can use for an email to the wife after you've somehow exceeded your authority: hold the alt key down and press the number 3 for a ♥.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Lang

Rob,

Wish we had Canadian computers, I tried your secret codes in every possible way and finished up with SFA appearing.

PS. Just read your post again and it seems it is a Mac deal unavailable to us PC peasants.

Lang

Lang: Nope, it's a PC thing. Can't say about foreign keyboards. Try a google search for your country, Type in "how do i make the degree symbol on the computer" and hopefully the google for your country will give you the right answer. You have to hold the alt key down and while it is depressed type in the number, then release the key.
Or you can try the path that Grant indicates.

[Harry Moon]

Interesting reading about the RH 5º wheels. They are surely the original tires for the trailer but now I question using them?

[rob love]

Beyond their original safety concerns, add 70 years of wear and corrosion, and possible damage from occasional dis-assembly. Mine will become vehicle stands.

[Grant Bowker]

In discussion today, it was pointed out to me (and confirmed by experiment) that you have to use the numeric keypad at the right of the keyboard instead of the numbers on the top row of the keyboard for the "alt+4 digit" code to work. I usually do that without thinking for numeric strings but that could be what has stopped it working for others....

[rob love]

Originally Posted by rob love

Beyond their original safety concerns, add 70 years of wear and corrosion, and possible damage from occasional dis-assembly. Mine will become vehicle stands.

On reflection today,( and after going outside to see how many of these rims I really had), I think I would have to re-evaluate this earlier assessment.

If the rims are blasted clean, do not show any signs of damage, wear or corrosion, then why not re-use them, taking into account the safety requirements during filling. Many of them have lasted over half a century, and if they pass inspection now and are properly preserved, there is no reason they can't last another 100 years.

I found this style of rim on both my 1956 firetrucks, adding another 12 more of these rims to the total of 14 in the yard.

[Lang]

Grant and Rob,

Thanks for that.

I have had a computer since the old black and white days before anyone had heard of a mouse and I always wondered why there should be a second set of numbers on the right of the keyboard - I now know why, so you can put in ° ¢ £ !!!! Does this now make me computer literate?

Lang

[rob love]

Lang:
Not if you have to write them down to use them.

[John Mackie]

My first meeting with these rims was in the middle fifties. It took us two days to dismantle one even with a manual.
Even though they are easy to assemble i wont use them as i take pity on the bloke who will have to dismantle it later.
The scrappy will buy them.

[Bob Carriere]

Search on google....... the list of various symbols is mind boggling....

Note... it will ONLY work if you use the numerical pads on the RH side of the key board.....

....and works in Words but can't get to work on MLU.....***

Technology craptology blah!!!!

[Paul Singleton]

Back in the seventies a friend's father had a septic tank pumping business. He purchased a used but very good condition 1961 GMC truck and installed a vacuum tank on the truck to pump septic tanks. The very first time he loaded the truck the right rear inner wheel blew apart. The wheel wasn't rusty and when examined the folded lip that held the wheel together simply straightened out and let the wheel separate. He purchased six new wheels of the lock ring design to replace the original wheels. The tire guy said that it was common for the centre split wheels to blow apart if the vehicle was overloaded! The tire size was 8:25-20. When looking at the design of the wheel you will realize that the wheel actually only locks together on about two thirds of the diameter.
I personally would not use them.

Paul

[Barry Churcher]

Paul, sounds like a load of poop to me.