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08-02-06, 19:16
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U.S.Military Deserters
Watching CBC Newsworld today,concerning two deserters who are having their hearings in court today in Toronto.the broadcast went on to say that, since May/03,the start of the Iraqui invasion, there have been 6000 AWOL desertions.My question ,where the hec are they all?Up here in Canada?Undercover of prosecution if found out?The answer sure beats me!
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08-02-06, 23:42
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AFAIK, yes, but who knows?
As one who HAS worn a uniform, I have a little trouble with the concept of someone who volunteered for army service running away when called upon to perform the primary duty which is that of the army ... 
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09-02-06, 00:03
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Well, that is what happens when you use the free education benefits and medical insurance as the main selling points for a carrier in the military. You get a lot a people who are only there for the benefits.
Canada should not accept any deserters. They put their names on the dotted line of the contracts, and so should be expected to honour those contracts.
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09-02-06, 02:20
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People sign up with the Canadian Forces for many of the same reasons, [benefits],that Americans sign up for.
My neighbors son signed on with the Canadian Forces a couple of years ago. When they sent him his papers to report for basic training he asked ,why he had to take basic training. They told him in case of war he had to be trained. He told them that he signed up to get an education,not to go to war!!! They promptly discharged him. My first thought was that they should have made him honour his contract. My second thought was,would I want this person giving me cover or be in/on my team. Hell no!!! The C.A.F. did right in discharging him before they wasted a lot of time,effort and money on this dead beat,half baked idiot.Many out there are looking for a free ride at the tax payers expense. To me ,you are a soldier first and " what ever " second. Members of the Cloth are exempt. As to the American deserters staying in Canada,they should not be granted refugee status or " what ever " else.They volunteered for armed service and did their basics.They knew what was to be expected of them as a soldier. As far as I know American deserters are not executed now-a-days.Since they do not face a death penalty,Canada has no valid reason to not deport them. If Canada has- A Call To Arms- could we count on those people? I think not.Send them back to the U.S.A. and let them plea their case to the courts there. Don't waste our time!!!! Wayne
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09-02-06, 19:42
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US Deserter scum
The sad thing is that they are already burning up OUR tax dollars while their status is argued over in court.
They should have been driven to the border and handed over to the US Army the day they arrived in Canada... I could live with expending a couple of bucks worth of gas to get rid of such slime... abandoning their comrades just before deployment... phaahh!  Mike
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09-02-06, 20:56
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What stinks here is not that they disagree with the war, or that they have a fundamental problem with the military, or even that they have a religious belief that prevents them from undertaking any military service. What stinks here is that these guys deserted because the bill came due. They thought that they could get free room, board, clothing and on the job training, at US taxpayers expense and then get a post-secondary education, again at US taxpayers expense, without any obligation on their part other than attendance!
As in the 60s and 70s, I have no problem with a pre-enlisted, conscientous objector (CO) who is willing to risk jail time or exile by coming to Canada. But I abhor the idea that we would harbour deserters from an ally at any time but especially when Canada and the US are co-involved in military operations that see our troops at greater risk than at any time since the Korean unpleasantness.
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09-02-06, 21:18
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Cowards......
Cowards are a better word for these guys ...snivilling cowards..
Especially on a day when three more Canadian soldiers were injured by an IED in Afganistan.... Turn them over to the US authorities..they know how to deal with them... Here is another batch they can take with them.... Abdullah Khadr formally charged with 4 counts in U.S. terrorism case 19:11:34 EST Feb 8, 2006 BETH GORHAM WASHINGTON (CP) - Canadian Abdullah Khadr was formally charged Wednesday in the United States with allegedly buying weapons for al-Qaida and plotting to murder Americans. Khadr, 24, has been in a Toronto jail since he was arrested Dec. 17 at the request of U.S. officials who filed a criminal complaint in Boston and issued an arrest warrant for his extradition. A federal grand jury indictment was the next step in the U.S. legal process. "Our efforts to identify and capture alleged terrorists who seek to kill Americans here and abroad transcend all borders," said Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. "Today's indictment sends the message to terrorists around the world that we will go to great lengths to bring justice to those who provide al-Qaida and other terrorists with the weapons to carry out their deadly and evil goals." Khadr faces charges that he conspired to kill Americans overseas, conspired to use weapons of mass destruction, conspired to possess a destructive device to commit violent crimes and possession of the device. If convicted, he could get life in prison plus 30 years and a $1 million US fine. He still needs to have an extradition hearing in Canada before he can be tried in a Massachusetts District Court. His lawyer, Dennis Edney, said from Edmonton that Gonzales went too far and has raised questions about whether the United States is prepared to respect Canadian sovereignty. "You have the U.S. attorney general announcing to the American public that Mr. Khadr is a terrorist," he said. "The Canadian government ought to be concerned about the ability of (Khadr) to be able to get a fair trial in the U.S.A." The indictment alleges that Khadr helped his late father, Egyptian-born Canadian Ahmed Said Khadr, by buying weapons during a five-month period in 2003 for planned attacks against U.S. forces in the border area of Afghanistan near Shagai, Pakistan. The grand jury says he bought ammunition for machine-guns, rocket-propelled grenades, rockets, mortar rounds and containers of hydrogen peroxide for use in making mines. Khadr distributed the munitions to al-Qaida fighters and continued buying efforts after his father was killed by Pakistani forces in October 2003, says the indictment. It also contends that he tried to purchase missiles from a Pakistani in 2004. The indictment, announced in Boston, adds that Khadr's father was a trusted associate of Osama bin Laden and the family visited his compound outside of Jalalabad in 1997 and 1998. An Ontario judge denied bail for Khadr while he awaits his extradition hearing, saying he is a flight risk and a risk to public safety. The judge noted he once said in a television interview that he wanted to die as a martyr for Islam. An RCMP affidavit says Khadr admitted to investigators at a Pakistani jail that he bought weapons for al-Qaida and admitted to taking part in a plan to assassinate that country's prime minister. He says he was tortured and visited several times by CSIS and RCMP officers. Khadr was held at the jail without charge from October 2004 until his release late last year, when he returned to Canada. The Khadr family has provoked intense debate in Canada. Each of the five Khadr siblings, all of whom are Canadian citizens, has at one time or another been separately accused or investigated for alleged links to terrorism. Omar Khadr, 19, is the only Canadian held at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp. He's charged with aiding al-Qaida and murdering a U.S. medic in Afghanistan in July 2002. He faces a special military tribunal system for alleged terrorists that has been widely attacked as unfair.
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10-02-06, 20:43
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American AWOL Cowards
I agree - Canada should be bothered with them . These ain't cheap times for any of us . Send them back to the USA . Desertion is not punished by hanging anymore , it's against the law , so all the worst could happen is maybe Bubba in Leavenworth Military Prison needs a new guy pal .
Well said ! The cost of recruiting , educating and supporting members of all of our various countries armed forces is no small matter . Me ? I joined the regular army , combat engineers , with many others my age in the summer of 1976 during our Bicentenial , when lots of us felt that rush of patriotism . It was a good move for me - I was at the right age and knew way too much more than anyone living in my Dad's house ! And good or bad when we got to permanent duty station we were expected to honor our contracts . I served 3 years active duty in Weisbaden W.Germany and other places thereabouts from 1976-79 and then full filled my enlisted reserve for the next 3 years when I got home . I even went active reserve for 2 years during enlisted reserve time . Cheers , Johnnie .
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11-02-06, 05:13
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Re: U.S.Military Deserters
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I hope the Canadian courts make short shrift of any extradition hearings for the deserters. When we've had the likes of Pat Tillman who gave up a very lucrative NFL career to join the military and then paid the ultimate price in Iraq, we need to ensure that any deserter is dealt with promptly so as to not besmirch the sacrifices of so many others. Canada will soon be bringing some of it's sons and daughters home in body bags as we expand our role in Afghanistan...any activist lawyer or judge that hinders the return of any American deserter should be made to meet the aircraft as it returns with the bodies of Canadian servicemen. Maybe that will straighten their priorities out.
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13-02-06, 16:41
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Have to aggree with Mr. Blair. They are cowards. It's an insult to those Americans and Canadians who have died and been injured in recent conflicts. They're thinking of themselves and not of their team. That's completely contrary to what they taught me in recruit school over a decade ago.
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15-02-06, 08:14
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Hearing
As one that has served,I find it foul that any money
should be spent in a hearing,on a deserters status. They crossed the border of a country, to avoid military service or combat if you wish. They did this illegally. Send them back they can foot the bill when they get back. As for the others feed them to the bears. Patrick
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15-02-06, 16:00
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Re: Hearing
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From the draft dodgers of the Viet Nam war to the deserters of the Iraq war to scumbag criminals like Charles Ng et al, I don't know who Canadian officials and politicians think they are serving by protecting these people! I care not a whit what their fate is when returned the U.S.! Pick 'em up, call the F.B.I., and drop 'em off at the closest point of entry to the U.S. and it's a done deal!
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