what's missing from this picture

[Mike Timoshyk]

This is a pic I took a while ago while checking out the rear end of my F15A. The brake shoes are fresh. The wine is tasty and the hub is damn heavy.

I received a set of E Brake cables awhile back from overseas and since I needed a distraction I decided to put the cables on and hook up the e brake system. (hint hint)

Guess what's missing?

What's missing is what I am now looking for....if anyone out there has the hardware perhaps we can do business.

Cheers


Mike Timoshyk

[Plushy]

Well an Emergency Brake operating Lever would come in handy i believe Hopefully some one close to you will have some .

[Bob Carriere]

..... we may have what you need....... just scrounging similar parts for destination West.....

But tell us Mike.... was the truck ever equipped with cables...or did the axle come from a truck with a two speed Transfer case with the E brake on the rear of the T case...??

What kind of Tcase do you have..?

On your backing plate ..... do you have the casted bracket to accept the cable.... in fact to you have the holes at the bottom of your backing plate...???

Better get more wine...... and a bigger glass......hihihi

Boob

[Mike Timoshyk]

just to let you know I am sitting here enjoying an extra large glass o plunk as I tyyyyyyyype this....oops. Any way, yes the backing plates have the cast piece that the cable is threaded through and the funny widget what is fitted under the crossmember. I don't have one of those fancy smancy brake mounted transfer cases. If you can help me out that would be fantastic.

BTW just returned from a small road trip with a group of fellow enthusiasts but thawt is another story that JP will write about.

cheers

Mike

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Mike

I no the pheeling......jush finished a nice buttle of Masi Amarone....hic!!!

Do you just need the hardware for inside the drum.....??

Do you have the bracket that bolts on the rear part of the T case frame cross member to which the cables connects to...?

How come all the hardware is missing....? did you loose them.?

So your T case is single speed has it should be....

Have you played with your tires yet..??? aren't they great!!

Come on back!!

Bob

[Mike Timoshyk]

Hi Bob,

Yup I started playing with the tires....did I mention they were "Big Ass tires"....to match my SEG.

All I need is the drum hardware....I have the "three finger" piece that the cables attach to as well as the small brackets that attach to the cross member. Not familiar with Masi Amarone...does it go well with Kraft dinner? After buying the tires I am on a budget!!!!!hahahhahhahah


cheers

Mike

[Bob Carriere]

Mike

These are the brake guts you need.....

the top one is the horse jaw bone.....

Then the curved lever that the cable connects to.....

As expected the worst parts to find are the tinnee little ones...
For example... the star wheel adjustment cam on the left is usually rusted on solid and has to be freed up and greased with moly.....

The other little bas**d are the small horse shoe clips..... commercial brake shop in town could not source them......

Finaly the curved guide at the bottom held by the cam bolts can be very rusted on some models...... that guides the cable..... you will need to remove the cast iron external guide that his sometimes rivetted to the backing plate....some are bolted which probably means they were serviced at one time..... remove the rivets.... re-install with bolts and cut yourself a felt washer that will sit between the cast iron part and the backing plate..... make sure the hole for the cable barely allows the cable and the end ferrul to go through...... soak the felt with engine oil..... it lubricates and keeps dirt from entering the brake drum cavity... or so says the old civvy book I have.....

Will need to bring an axle in from the field to strip down the parts hope you don't want them for this Wednesday.......

The worst part is always removing the brakedrum....! the rest is easy enough!!

Hang in there....... will confer with my partners in crime!!!

BooB

[Phil Waterman]

Bob you bring up a very good point about disassembly of CMP brakes and the problems of getting the drums off. In thinking back over the other threads about problems of getting drums off you know and are people remembering to back off lower and upper adjustments before trying to pull the drums off. Also what happens if you remove the nuts from the lower adjustment cams tap the bolts in far enough to disengage the cams which would let the shoes move in.

Cheers Phil

[RHClarke]

Originally posted by Phil Waterman
Bob you bring up a very good point about disassembly of CMP brakes and the problems of getting the drums off. In thinking back over the other threads about problems of getting drums off you know and are people remembering to back off lower and upper adjustments before trying to pull the drums off. Also what happens if you remove the nuts from the lower adjustment cams tap the bolts in far enough to disengage the cams which would let the shoes move in.

Cheers Phil

And for good measure, back off the wheel cylinder nuts...

[Bob Carriere]

Weather permitting...... we got dumped finally with about 8 inches of snow...... and it looks like it is going to stay......

Snow blower is not installed on the tractor yet and I got a cold.... been on a Ass-prine and pillow diet.....

Will try to bring a spare axle in the barn and let it thaw out on the axle stand..... nicer to work inside with Lucifer fired up in the background.

Never had much luck with brake drums with may be one exception that had been store at a cockeye angle allowing the gear oil to leak down into the drum and loose up everything.

It seems that even with loosening all the adjustment nuts... if the linings are rusted to the face of the drums..... and they do swell up with water wheen left on the ground for 20 years.

I found the heat froma cherry bud and a two pound hammer on the backside of the braking surface eventually releases them.

One thing to avoid is tapping ...even gently on the edge/rim of the drums....... with some rust the casting is almost soft and easily broken/chipped off......

Will let you know how we make out.....

Bob

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Mike

Drums came off...... we undid the adjusters and the hweel cylinder and had to pry..... on side wet/oily one side dry....parts look good for salvage but ran out of time...... she is not resting in the barn.... relative heat.....sprayed with WD 40.

Man the gear oil is sure a mess when it gets cold and sticky like molasse.......

Axle will also donate the cast brackets that fits under the spring hanger....mine are broken... and one cast fitting that allows the cable to enter the backing plate.... still will need to find another one for my axle..... Salvaged 4 needed rims in the process.

Something to be said for parts trucks......

Bob

[Bob Carriere]

Hi Mike

We got the guts out of the spare axle...... parts were NOT seized with rust..... a delight to dis-assemble. Got the drums and axle shafts back on and moved out to the icy cold back field.

You will need to find some horseshoe clips...... they were/are shot.

Will take off 5 pounds of grease and dirt and ship out....

Send me a PM with your home address...

Bob

[cmperry4]

I had to do more fiddling with the adjusters to get the drums back on, what with the fat new linings on the shoes - the right front was the worst.

Glad I have drive-shaft parking brake on my '45 HUP.

[Bob Carriere]

....... have you drums turned and your lining arced..?

The brake shop in Ottawa insisted to install rivets on the leading and trailing edge of the linings even with the rest of the lining bonded to the shoe........ claimed that was a safety measure for a vehicle who will ONLY be driven occasionally.

Bob

[cmperry4]

Drums were turned and new linings riveted in place. Nothing said about safety aside from drums near limits, so he made the linings a little thicker.