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21st. Army group Vehicle signs
I have a book printed by the 21st. Army Group that shows all the vehicle formation signs. These signs were in use only on the vehicles. I will post the first five below, as you can see they relate to Canadian units. There are quite a few more so if you are interested I will post some more. John.
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Re: 21st Army Group veh markings
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I hate to disappoint you, but none of these ‘formation markings’ pertain to Canadian Army units, they are all in fact for Royal Army Service Corps formations (not Royal Canadian Army Service Corps formations): image 1 - CRASC 1 Tk Tptr Coln = Commander Royal Army Service Corps 1 Tank Transporter Column image 2 - CRASC 2 Tk Tptr Coln = Commander Royal Army Service Corps 2 Tank Transporter Column image 3 - CRASC 20 Tpt Coln = Commander Royal Army Service Corps 20 Transport Column image 4 - CRASC 21 Tpt Coln = Commander Royal Army Service Corps 21 Transport Column image 5 - CRASC 24 Tpt Coln = Commander Royal Army Service Corps 24 Transport Column all of the above are Royal Army Service Corps formations not Royal Canadian Army Service Corps. Cheers
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21st. Army Group
Thanks for putting me straight on the meaning of CRASC.On looking at the few cloth shoulder titles I have for Canadian units I see that the title reads RCASC. Never the less on looking through the book I think I have found three examples of Canadian formation signs. John.
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Thanks for posting
Great examples of tac signs. Now if only a book can be found showing all the Canadian Tac signs illustrated the same way.
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Yes, you are correct: image 1 - No. 64 Army Transport Company, R.C.A.S.C. image 2 - No. 85 Bridge Company, R.C.A.S.C. image 3 - No. 86 Bridge Company, R.C.A.S.C. all of which served under Headquarters, Commander First Army Transport Column, R.C.A.S.C. Cheers
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Signs
Were these signs ever used?
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In the booklet printed by the Printing and stationary service, 21st, Army Group there are 88 pages of vehicle formation signs, so they must all be recognised as " official" badges. John.
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The Source
When was the book published? You can get this from the imprint information on the manual.
Sure the signage was 'recongnized', but this does not necessarily mean they were ever used. Don't ge tme wrong, the book and the images are very interesting, the next step in the process is finding an image of them in use. |
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Hi edstorey! The book that you are referencing of the 21st army, do you have any info on how I might be able to get my hands on it for my veteran?
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http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...enZutphen1.jpg I found it on the following website : http://www.monument.apeldoorn-onderw...otogalerij.htm Here's a cutout of the high-res copy I requested, the unit sign looks like 1319 to me. Any ideas as to which unit this is ? http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...brugcutout.jpg Marc Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 26-01-21 at 14:13. Reason: edited to attach photo |
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Here's another one in use (106 Coy RASC).
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...ickeyFahey.jpg I found it here : http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellispratt/page5/ Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 26-01-21 at 14:14. Reason: edited to attach photo |
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Here is a link to the Signs in the book. Any one have a scan of the front cover.
http://www.ww2talk.com/index.php?thr...al-book.87862/
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The original poster of this thread, Blackpowder44 aka John Forsey, also posted on The British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum. John asked another member of that forum to scan and post the images from this book on there. Here is the front and back cover:
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Framed 21st AG and another just because (can you spot the error on the second one?). Trivia for those who may not know, the 21st Army Group got that number because it was made up of the 2nd British Army and the 1st Canadian Army, hence 21.
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The 21st. Army Group book shows all the vehicle formation signs that are all RASC, CRASC, Cdn RASC and a few from Belgium, there are no Div, formation signs that are on the your front cover that are in this book. I just thought they might have added RASC Ect to the front cover. Thanks for adding this cover .
Keith
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Note the unit logo (the windmill)
Fascinating stuff, these signs are new to me.
I'd like another one to the mix, would this windmill sign fit in this subject or not? "1680 ARTILLERY PLATOON RASC (LIGHT) IN NORTH WEST EUROPE 1944 - 1945. Driver Arthur Pratley beside his Ford three ton truck, platoon vehicle lines, Hakenfelderstrasse, Berlin, Summer 1945. Note the unit logo (the windmill) on the cab door." Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205039844
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The Windmill Boys: 1680 Artillery Platoon, RASC (Light)
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They operated in Holland: "A group photograph of some of the men in the unit taken at Platoon Headquarters, "De Elshof", Berkenhof, south of Hatert, Holland, at the end of Operation Market Garden, 23 September 1944. The men are: back row left to right, "Steve" Stephenson, Len Haslam, Vic Robbins (water dutyman), Cyril Lambert (the units oldest man) and George Drinkwater." Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205039833 One of the platoon's Sergeants is in fact buried in Leopoldsburg, Belgium: "OWEN, Sjt. FRANCIS ENGLAND, T/5618131. 1680 Artillery Platoon, R.A.S.C. 10th September, 1944. Age 30. Son of Francis England Owen and Isabel Belinda Owen, of Combe Martin, Devon. IV. B. 1. " Source: http://anguline.co.uk/Free/Leopoldsburg.pdf Fought their way through Germany: "Don-R Eddie Edmond (front of truck), Corporal Aubrey Harrin and Driver Ted Brinton (who was slightly injured ) immediately after the attack upon 1680 Platoon in Kleve (Cleve). See photograph HU 66247. Note the Fox's head formation sign on the rear of the lorry, indicating that 1680 Platoon were part of the 8th Armoured Brigade." Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205039836 "A photograph of Ackerstrasse looking north east towards Kleve (Cleve) town centre showing the debris and damage caused by an attack upon 1680 Platoon vehicles. "One of the tilt frames outlined in the distance is from the vehicle used as a guard-room where Guard Commander, Lance Corporal Buckle was killed. To the right of the two burnt out three tonners are the remains of the water truck (Driver Arthur Pratley) and a 15 cwt truck. The buildings on the far right were the officers billets, the cookhouse being on the near corner. The debris in the foreground is from the destroyed signals truck."" Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205039835 And ended the war in Berlin: "Three German children stand next to the platoon HQ sign (the Windmill) the middle sign depicts the Berlin garrison roundel. Taken in Spandau, Berlin, summer 1945." Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205039841 "Vehicles of the unit parked on the Hakenfeldstrasse, Berlin, Summer 1945." Source:https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205039842
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The windmill sign shown is attributed to 710 (General Transport) Company.
In the 21st Army Group c.1945 containing coloured illustrations of the formation badges of RASC sub units within the Army Group.
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