Help on m38 & m38a1cdn info needed

[Frank]

Hi

Would anyone out there have info on M38's/A1 serial numbers or know if someone started to catalog the M38/A1 S/N and date of Manufacture.
M38 sn: I have. F100374 04-21-1952 with Data Plates/Ownership.
F100576 XX-XX-1952 no Data Plate but have Ownership.
F100584 XX-XX-1952 no Data Plate working on Ownership.
M38A1 sn: 4X4M38CDN12150 XX-XX-52 Ownership and on road.
M100 sn: 1028 XX-02-53


Any information on the above will be appreciated.

Frank 705-746-7377 or etwo@sympatico.ca

[Craig S.]

Hi Frank -

I just finished looking into your info request. As for 1952 model year M-38 and M-38A1's there is only one listing in the database. It is for a M-38 ceremonial conversion model serial no. F101599 and its CFR is 31609. As for what I could find on the 1953 M-100 - that serial number is not in the database any longer. Cheers,

Craig

[rob love]

For both the M38Cdn and the M38A1Cdn, try over at http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modul...=viewforum&f=3

You will likely have to subscribe to view or post. Wes has a pretty fair data base of vehicles, and can usually narrow down the CFRs to within a few.

As an aside, the CFRs were stamped on top of the left front frame rails of the jeeps. If you still have layers of paint, a paint scraper will usually reveal then pretty quick. As to the M100, the numbers were also stamped on the top of the left drawbar.

In the mid 80s, all our trailers went out for sandblasting, and the contractor mixed up all the plates. The scraper came in handy, but we revealed several CFRs which did not match what Ottawa said we had. So sometime over the years, the records in Ottawa got mixed.

One of the first trailers I ever bought had 2 CFRs. As I stripped the layers of paint down I came across a different number than that which was on the upper layers. The earliest number actually matched the serial number of the trailer. (ie serial 0018 and CFR 70018) As production went on, the serials did not directly match. So again, someone's record keeping was not up to snuff.

[Frank]

Thank you for the information. I just started to understand the iltis CFR. Know with my
M38's /A1 SN/CFR I have found very difficult finding info on them. My concern with no
history that, 2 M38s I have that are missing the data plates and were they could be.
Anyway I will strip the paint away and let you know what I find. But I guess on the reproduction M38 Data Plates I will have to stamp whats on my Ownership....before they
go on the road..
Thanks again
Frank

[BCA]

Rob,
Thanks for the explanation of the discrepancies of M100CDN 1/4-ton trailer CFR numbers. I always wondered why the stamped CFR numbers on numerous of the M100 trailers do not match the "paperwork" CFR number. I used to document all the CFR/serial numbers of trailer I saw at auctions and of the 40 or so trailers I've bought over the years at government auctions.
... Brian

[rob love]

Brian
I am always happy to share some of my UFI. Glad someone else has noticed this same anomaly. Back in those days, we used to bulk report on the trailers. That is, we would have one work order for many trailers, and the parts and labor costs were just all lumped together. As a result, we really did not track the serial numbers on trailers. Ottawa did, but I suspect that when the time came to go from paper tracking to computer tracking, trailer CFRs were just taken at face value.

I remember in Moose Jaw doing the final disposal inspection on a car before we were sending it down to auction. I checked the serial number in the windshield and it was not correct for the CFR. Turns out the plates had been incorrectly installed on a identical pair of vehicles 5 years earlier, we had already sold the other car the year before, and I was the first person to actually compare the serial numbers in all those years. Turned out our own wrecker was the same way, with it's twin wrecker in cold lake having had their CFRs switched at birth. Fact is, we work by the CFRs in the army, and things like the serial numbers really didn't concern us that much. But to whoever bought the car from us, if anyone would go to verify their serials, would then have a bit of a headache.