rear and side lamp style

[Svenn Ryen]

Hi!

Is this lamp Ford or Chevy style? Or both??



If its Ford style only - I f have two of these to trade for Chevy style

Svenn

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Svenn

As far as I know these are common to both Ford Chevy Pattern 13s.

But you will also find them on all sorts of other Commonwealth Military vehicles. Like the Flail Tanks rear marker alignment lights, motorcycles but I'm not sure if that was a post war modification. I picked up half dozen at a motorcycle flea market years ago.

Cheers Phil

[Svenn Ryen]

Thanks Phil.

I also have to different types of tail lamp brackets. The rusty one came of a F60 the other two came with my cargo bed.

What would be correct? What are holes for in the tall one on the right hand side?

The one with the long bar is a bubba mod for the licence plate.



And one last shot for today.... should there be one red and one red lamp on each side??or only red ones?? Brake light?? Tail light? What purpose did the white lamps have if the where mounted there?

Svenn

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

The white ones are for the front fenders (wings), one on each side.

On the back, both sides had those brackets with two holes each. On the left, there was one red tail lamp in the outer hole and the inner hole was left empty. On the right, there was a another red tail lamp in the outer hole and a red brake lamp in the inner hole.

The single red brake lamp worked off a pressure switch at the back of the master cylinder and could be isolated by a switch on the dash.

The pair of red tail lamps could be turned on with a switch on the dash, but from there the current went to a switch at the rear of the vehicle (a toggle switch on Fords marked 'red/white' and a dimmer switch on Chevs). Flip this switch one way and the current lit up the pair of red tail lamps. Switch it the other way and it lit up the 'white' lamp shining on the rear, white painted differential.

The lamp in your first pic is Ford or Chev (or any other Canadian military vehicle). Because of the round rear part it dates from 1943-45. The earlier ones had a large hex back.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Svenn

The extra small holes are for cable clips to keep the wires from being pulled off in brush. Some of the late 44-45 have a center 1/2" hole between the l" lamp holes and that was for a switch to turn the tail lights off and the convoy spot light that shown on the rear axle pumpkin. This switch replaced a push button head light dimmer switch mounted on the right side of the frame behind the rear wheel.

Cheers Phil

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

The extra small holes are for cable clips to keep the wires from being pulled off in brush.

Cheers Phil

Hmmmmm....then why are they on the bottom? That would mean the wires looped downwards to those holes before back up to the lamps making them more likely to snag. I carefully avoided saying what those small hole are for because I don't know.

[Svenn Ryen]

Thanks guys!! What about the two different sizes on the brackets?? Any idea?

The tall one has holes for countersunk bolts on "outside" on the top

Does anyone have any close up pictures of original setup and wiring?

Svenn

[Svenn Ryen]

My C15 A came with this box with parts.

There are several lamps in it. Bad picture, but perhaps someone of you know what type these are and for what vehicle these are for?



Svenn

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

On the back, both sides had those brackets with two holes each. On the left, there was one red tail lamp in the outer hole and the inner hole was left empty. On the right, there was a another red tail lamp in the outer hole and a red brake lamp in the inner hole.

The single red brake lamp worked off a pressure switch at the back of the master cylinder and could be isolated by a switch on the dash.

The pair of red tail lamps could be turned on with a switch on the dash, but from there the current went to a switch at the rear of the vehicle (a toggle switch on Fords marked 'red/white' and a dimmer switch on Chevs). Flip this switch one way and the current lit up the pair of red tail lamps. Switch it the other way and it lit up the 'white' lamp shining on the rear, white painted differential.

Here is a picture of a set of original Cab 13 rear lights, courtesy of Tony Baker:

Originally Posted by Private_collector

HTH,
Hanno

[Svenn Ryen]

Thanks. Great picture!

What is the purpose for the white lamp?

I see on the wiring diagram in the manual there are two tail lamps, one stop lamp, and one lamp reffered to as "sub" lamp? Is this the column lamp underneath the vehilcle pointing to the white painted diff housing?

And how does the trailer connector look like?

Svenn

[David DeWeese]

Hello Svenn,

Don't mean to hijack your thread, but I just posted a photo yesterday in the restoration forum of a tail light exactly like the ones in your post #8. I thought maybe that type might be correct for my 1940 8cwt CMP with a replica British rear body....but not certain by any means.

I too am interested in finding out what type vehicle these tail lights are used on...anyone have any thoughts?

Thank you,
David

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Svenn Ryen

Thanks. Great picture!

What is the purpose for the white lamp?

I see on the wiring diagram in the manual there are two tail lamps, one stop lamp, and one lamp reffered to as "sub" lamp? Is this the column lamp underneath the vehilcle pointing to the white painted diff housing?

And how does the trailer connector look like?

Svenn

I wonder about the white lamp in the socket too. What's the date on the box? Almost all the period photos (factory and field) show the three red light configuration. The white lamp for the differential is the same as a regular lamp except is has an additional 4" long (or so) sleeve with a cap holding a clear lens held on by a clamp.