Any chance of finding CMP FAT project?

[jdmcm]

Had a non -computer literate friend asking about the possibility of finding a CMP field artillery tractor project or half completed project for sale in Canada?

Thanks
John

[Niels V]

If you are on Facebook there was one there. I will see if i can get a link. A pitty that you limit the search to Canada only otherwise I have one

[Niels V]

https://m.facebook.com/leslie.fisher...%3Du_b_o&mdf=1

[Rob Fast]

PM sent. Rob Fast

[Frantisek Nachlinger]

...there was one for sale with missing rear body on kijiji few months ago... cab 13 Chev. great price. the link was there in for sale section.

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ght=FAT+kijiji

...it seems to be too late...

[Hanno Spoelstra]

This is a better link to the pictures on FB: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...90&type=1&_rdr

And Les Fisher who posted them there is a member of MLU, of course: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/member.php?u=11043

HTH,
Hanno

[Lauren Child]

There was a thread about what looked like an abandoned "F22" type FGT in Canada a month or so ago.

[jdmcm]

Hi All

Not on Facebook, those links don't seem to work, but keep the info coming, Ross can not believe the response. One question that comes up is where do you find the dimensions for fabricating the rear body? Doesn't seem likely there will be a project around with that intact...

John

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Lauren Child

There was a thread about what looked like an abandoned "F22" type FGT in Canada a month or so ago.

Hmm, while it may have an FGT chassis, the F22 is in practical sense a 15-cwt truck and not an FGT....

[Hanno Spoelstra]

John,

Here are some pics - contact Les through his member profile page (see link below).

HTH,
Hanno

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

This is a better link to the pictures on FB: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...90&type=1&_rdr

And Les Fisher who posted them there is a member of MLU, of course: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/member.php?u=11043

[Lauren Child]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Hmm, while it may have an FGT chassis, the F22 is in practical sense a 15-cwt truck and not an FGT....

Hanno, we may not know the purpose of the vehicle, but it is an FGT. The plates clearly say FGT and C291Q.

Either way, I'd be remiss if I didn't remind folks that there's a rare vehicle there, thats a bit if a mystery and is the only one we've found in Canada.

[jdmcm]

Thanks Hanno, much appreciated

John

[Niels V]

John i dont think you will have any trouble with getting the dimensions for building the body for one of these. we are plenty of CGt owners here that can help you

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Lauren Child

Hanno, we may not know the purpose of the vehicle, but it is an FGT. The plates clearly say FGT and C291Q.

The chassis is FGT, but it isn't fitted with a FAT body and winch, but with a regular Cab 13 and a 15-cwt GS box. Hence my remark above.

Either way, I'd be remiss if I didn't remind folks that there's a rare vehicle there, thats a bit if a mystery and is the only one we've found in Canada.

Agree, we should always point out surviving CMPs to other fellow collectors. Personally I am not convinced the one spotted in Canada is an F22. It could well be a bitsa, although I would like to be proved wrong.

[jdmcm]

So the vehicle in the pictures is a FAT? but differs from other CMP FAT's significantly, can I get the CMP newbies guide to the field artillery tractor?

[rob love]

There were cab 11, 12 and 13 FATs. I regularly drive a cab11 fat at work. They are a bugger to get in and out of.

[jdmcm]

Ok so some look like regular CMP's with the reverse windshield, and the other has a cab like the pictures? Help! And yeah Rob they look like a PITA to get in and out of! I began this at the request of my buddy, who is more of a civilian classic car nut than a military buff, he brought me a picture and I recognized it as a FAT, so the request went out...now I find myself getting intrigued by these trucks and if history is any indicator...that ain't good! Especially on the cusp of a household move!

[Lynn Eades]

John, This is how someone like me tells the difference.
The photos in this thread show a Cab 11. It has a small flat bonnet (hood- engine access panel) which is a single plane flat panel.
The Cab 12 has a slightly larger hood that incorporates the angled panels that angle down to the head lights when veiwed from the front (so 3 planes- bigger hole- still rediculous access) The Cab 13 has the reverse angled windscreen glass. The Cab 13 has room for people with 2 legs, with feet on them.

[jdmcm]

Thanks Lynn that was immensely helpful....now...why the different models?

[Lynn Eades]

I don't know much about them really. 1940,development under serious pressure, 1941,These two models were the lend lease models that carried our guys through the North African campaigns. 1942. Improvements from lessons learned. Just like Dodges. 1941 1/2 ton WCs, weak axles, steering boxes, high silouette. etc. 1942 3/4 ton- great!

[rob love]

The 11 cab was based on British guidelines but with larger North American 6 cylinder or the mighty Ford V8. Access to the engine was difficult, the foot area for the driver extremely cramped, and the cabs were hot. To do any major work to the engine it was expected you would remove the cab.

Cab 12 offered better ventilation, slightly better access to the engine, but still retained the cramped pedal arrangement.

Dec of 41 came the "all Canadian" 13 cab which used production and design methods better suited to North America manufacture. The cab 13 is perhaps more iconic as a CMP with it's recognizable reverse slope windshield, but any of the CMP series are unique and tell a story.

Any version of the artillery tractors is desirable, despite the cramped entry of the early cabs.

[Niels V]

Correct as mentioned above the 11/12 are a bit fun to get in to and cramped feet space but once you are in the drives seat it the the larges/roomiest cab of all cmp's

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Niels V

Correct as mentioned above the 11/12 are a bit fun to get in to and cramped feet space but once you are in the drives seat it the the larges/roomiest cab of all cmp's

I find the large cab does little to counter effect the extremely cramped foot space. My very first CMP was Ford cab 11 cargo, and I remember the welts of the boots constantly catching each other when trying to operate the pedals.

[Lynn Eades]

I could do with someone explaining (photos?) the various rear end variations / models. This might help John as well.

[rob love]

Lynn

I will use the text and photos from the holy bible of CMPs: the AEDB Design Record.

Here is the text re gun tractors in general:

[rob love]

So the 7A1 and 7A2 were variations used on the early 11 and 12 cabs.
With the Cab 13, they went to the 7B2 body. Later, in order to correct some of the deficiencies, there was a final body in the 101 wheelbase, the 7B3, which is not commonly found in Canada.

There was a plan for a longer CMP 150" 6x6 wheelbase tractor based on the 7B3 body, but I'm not sure it ever came to fruition. The reasons for the longer one was to increase capacity and flotation. I suspect the difficulty of operating with the limbers may also have been part of the reason. Limbers were a throwback to the horsedrawn era, and not overly suited to mechanized transport.

[Lauren Child]

Nice one - weren't there some locally made variations on the Australian made versions as well?

For completeness, India also made their own FAT bodies which look very different, typically with a flatter open back.

[Lynn Eades]

Thank you Rob, That fills a few gaps. I recall a few flat roofed ones being posted. Argentina, and Mr K. Webb come to mind.

[jdmcm]

Thanks Rob, also very helpful...now I understand why the locals in Manitoba wanted to convene a war crimes tribunal when allegations of you aiding and abetting the smuggling of rear FAT cargo body to the nether regions of Alberta surfaced!

But seriously I am really getting into these things, they are very cool, my pal will end up with whatever one I don't want! The price of being computer illiterate in 21 century I suppose.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by jdmcm

Thanks Rob, also very helpful...now I understand why the locals in Manitoba wanted to convene a war crimes tribunal when allegations of you aiding and abetting the smuggling of rear FAT cargo body to the nether regions of Alberta surfaced!

But seriously I am really getting into these things, they are very cool, my pal will end up with whatever one I don't want! The price of being computer illiterate in 21 century I suppose.

I thought he had the permits. I couldn't fathom anyone poaching such a treasure without a permit.....so unbelievable that, to my never dying shame, I did not ask.