Carrier Pic's

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[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

I'll be the first to admit I've never seen/heard/found evidence of stenciling inside Canadian carriers. Black stenciling to identify what goes where on the white interior of Canadian tanks and armoured cars yes, but similar white stenciling on khaki for carriers??? I have been very careful when working inside my Fox to sand gently to recover such markings but confess to not looking for them when working on my carrier. Was the inside of all carriers stenciled? If so where, and with what wording???? (One observation: the markings above on this Mk.II* carrier seem to be spray painted. Those in armoured cars are 'printed')

[Tony Smith]

..And interesting, too, that it appears to have two data plates; one over the Drivers right shoulder and another near the MG opening near the gunners seat. If one is the Serial plate and one is the handbook plate, why aren't they locatedtogether?

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Tony, that second data plate under the MG opening is the "Publications Plate". It is there because the bin to take the manual is just below it, on the underside of the angled armour plate. I'm rather partial to the large "Ford" plate above the serial number plate. It was only on Mk.II* carriers and looks like advertising to me.

[Richard Farrant]

Brad,

This stencilling in white of stowed items is very similar to that found on Daimler Scout Cars and other British armour. My guess is that this carrier is an ex-British issued one that was passed on to Norway. A clue is the census number which starts with "T" and not "CT".

Richard

[alleramilitaria]

while restoring my UC i have found stenceling inside every tool box and the 2in mortar tin under the MG gunners knees.

[Mark W. Tonner]

Originally posted by Richard Farrant
My guess is that this carrier is an ex-British issued one that was passed on to Norway. A clue is the census number which starts with "T" and not "CT".

Hi Richard;

Did you notice the fifth picture that Brad posted - "For Norwegian Light Infantry Battalion, Carriers Mortar 3" - picture attached below.

Cheers

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Brad Mills
Don't know if you guys have seen this one, but I'm posting the pic's for reference anyhow...I found out about this one for sale but its too rich for my blood.

Brad, this is Erik Jostad's Canadian Carrier Mk II for sale, isn't it?

Regards,
Hanno

[Stewart Loy]

Hanno,

Yes, those pix were of Eriks UC from Norway.


Stewart
(-20 degrees C)

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by Mark W. Tonner
Did you notice the fifth picture that Brad posted - "For Norwegian Light Infantry Battalion, Carriers Mortar 3" - picture attached below.

Hi Mark,

Yes I did see that and it is definitely a British Army label. The letters "FTM" at the top are I think Feltham, which was an RAOC Vehicle Depot, just west of London. Also at the bottom left is "LV2/" which is the grouping for any carrier spare parts.

As the Canada transfer is still intact on the side of the hull and mileage appears to be low, it may well have been one that was never issued over here. I know of one not far away, that was in a crate and is still in original paintwork.

Richard

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Given what Richard says, this may be a British army application. The stencils you mention on Daimler scout cars, were they factory applied or by the army later?

Alternatively, Dave "alleramilitaria" Demorrow, you mention stenciling inside tool boxes, etc. Do you mean white painted stencilling or stamping of part numbers (of which Ford of Canada was particularly fond of doing)? What do they say? By the 2" mortar tin, do you mean tne rectangular bin with the open mouth facing the gunner under the hole for the gun (which I think it rightly for the operator's manual)? Does it specifically mention 2' mortar rounds?

Bottom line...did Ford of Canada stencil stowage nmarkings on Carriers at the factory? If so, all, or from a certain type of carrier or specific date....or....were the markings above added later by the army, and if so, how common and from when?

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by Bruce Parker
Given what Richard says, this may be a British army application. The stencils you mention on Daimler scout cars, were they factory applied or by the army later?

Hello Bruce,

The stencilling I refered to on British armoured cars, particularly the Daimler, is done by the army as there have been several layers of paint beneath. The style and size of the stencilling looks "British Army" as as I pointed out, the label shown was for parts despatched from a RAOC depot to Norway, so it would lead you to put 2 and 2 together on this one. There may be other clues as well.

Richard

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

I rather suspect this is a British applied convention and not factory. If it is Ford, I'd have thought some evidence of it would have appeared here in Canada before now. I'll await Dave's response however. It would drive me nuts to think I should have been looking for these markings while merrily sandblasting the snot out of my carrier.


Here is 'recovered' markings from my Fox interior.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

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[Barry Read]

Richard
You mention the one in the crate!
I've heard many story's of this carrier.
who actuallyl owns it now, what type of carrier was it?
If you don't want to tell all, drop me a private line.

Barry Read
Watford
England

MKII owner

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by Barry Read

You mention the one in the crate!
I've heard many story's of this carrier.

Barry,
Here is a picture of it..........if the damn thing attaches......

Richard

[alleramilitaria]

yes thats the grenade box in question, and yes it was verry specific about 2" mortar bombs. also the tool boxes were all well marked with the stowage of things like jacks, verry pistol rounds, spairs, etc. the stencels look to be put on at the factory due to the fact that...
1. they are all of uniform size and profesionaly done

2. they match the stowage chart in some of the books i have.

3. they only appear on the parts of the carrier with the factory layer of paint.

thanks
dave

[Snowtractor]

Originally posted by Brad Mills
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I had said earlier that my MKII came with wood handles over the observers holy shit handles. Does this one not look like wood? Also, notice the markings above the radiator, says it is for aerial storage, answers an earlier post about their use.
Sean

[Neil Ashley]

Barry

There is (or was) another crated carrier in Devon.

Its de-crateing was covered in an article in Windscreen magazine approximately 15 years ago. It subsequently appeared at one of the MVT's Weston-Super-Mare shows. I would suggest you speak to the Devon Area Secretary for up to date information.

Crook Brothers were advertising a crated Carrier for years in their Wheels and Tracks Advert. Perhaps one of these is that vehicle.

Nigal Watson with his Carrier Register may be able to comment further.

Regarding stenciling on Mk11 Canadian Carriers, I have observed several examples and have always considered it to be a standard feature of these vehicles.

[rob love]

Hey, I just noticed the serial number on the data plate . It looks like 29881. How can this be? Bill Gregg"s book says Canada only made 28992 UCs.

[Barry Read]

Richard
thanks for the picture.
where and when was that taken?

Neil
have you managed to sell your MKI?

Merry Christmas to all my Carrier Friends.

Barry

[Neil Ashley]

Barry

I have advertised the Mk1 again because I am in the process of buying with a friend a Mk2 numbered CT179857, which interesting is quite close to the crated one featured on this thread. I will have to check the data plate number.

This carrier is also in basicaly in ex-crate condition with very low mileage and decal still clearly visable.

The Mk1 is still available but a guy in Belgum who is investigation a vehicle I am intetrested in has first refusal. As always nothing is guaranteed till it goes so if any one else is intertested please let me know. Look on the armour in focus web site for pictures.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by Barry Read
Richard
thanks for the picture.
where and when was that taken?

Barry,

It was on a Royal British Legion Parade at Cranbrook in Kent, I think, in 2000.

I sent a PM to you about this, have you read it?

Richard