Tryed to start the Pattern 12 today.

Phil Waterman · #1 03-05-03, 23:22

Well the Pattern 12 C60L I got last year finally got into the shop bay last weekend and I started dismantling. Removed and marked a lot of sheet metal to get down to the engine. Serial by the way is PR3762654.

When I got the truck the engine could be turned over with the crank and all of the water drain plugs were out so I had hope.

Drained the oil and dropped the sump to clean not bad looking not a lot of sludge but a little water. Cleaned sump it and the oil filter then with pan off started to fill the cooling system water started to dribble out of bottom of the engine. Problem is crack in the water jacket behind the push rods on the right side of the engine. Not a good sign. I’ve welded cracked water jackets on Model A Fords but am not sure about this one. But then again what do I have to loose.

Any thoughts.

Cheers

Phil

Bob Carriere · #2 06-05-03, 23:22

Hi Phil

Bad luck with the engine block....... is the engine an original 216 or has it been changed ????? ...... are you planning to weld it to save the original block .....or look for a replacement????

I guess your next step will be a complete dis-assembly of the engine......... would be nice to see a few pictures and some comments on what else you find......

Good Luck!!!

Bob C.

Phil Waterman · #3 07-05-03, 01:12

Believe it to be the orginal 216 engine. Really have nothing to loose so I think I will remove the push rods and cut a V on the crack and try Mig welding it. Would be nice to have the truck self mobile as a chassie for a while easier to move in and out of the shop.

Have already taken a lot of picture and will be posting them to my web site soon.

Mike K · #4 09-05-03, 18:32

hi Phill

I was reading , these days the professional engine repair people use a epoxy type repair method on engine cracks . They grind out the crack and fill the recess with a special two part epoxy substance . This method is used on big diesel engines with good results . Just a thought .

Mike

Ted Gil · #5 10-05-03, 21:33

Hello Phil

I'm similarly in the same boat as you are but with a vintage automobile. It has a cylinder head that was cracked due to freezing. I came across two sites which advertise materials for the repairing of engine blocks.
a) Muggy Weld which supplies welding rods for repairing cast engine blocks. Illustrated on their site is the repair of a CASE backhoe engine block with a 1 1/2 inch hole, caused by a thrown rod repaired with their welding rods. According to their ad, no great expertise in welding is required to carry out these repairs.
Link www.muggyweld.com

b) Loctite supplies a 2 part epoxy called Steel Putty and they can be reached at www.loctite.com

I did contact a representative at Loctite and explained my problem and he recommended the above product. I haven't tried either product but will probably go with the Steel Putty.

Goodluck in your repair and let us know how you make out.

Regards Ted

Richard Farrant · #6 10-05-03, 23:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike Kelly
I was reading , these days the professional engine repair people use a epoxy type repair method on engine cracks . They grind out the crack and fill the recess with a special two part epoxy substance .

There is a product used by industry, made by a company called Belzona, based in UK and USA. They have numerous two part products for these sort of repairs. Their rep. gave us a demo once and related a story of how someone with a vintage tractor had contacted them to see if any of their products could repair his frost damaged cylinder block. He was told to clean it up and an they would come out and fill the cracks for him. When the guy arrived he was horrified to see a great gaping hole in the engine. The owner had removed all the cracked pieces to clean them, anyway they pieced the jigsaw together using Belzona bonded it in and smoothed it over. They had a report sometime later that it was running without problems.

Richard

Keith Orpin · #7 13-05-03, 11:17

Hi Phil,
I had a similar problem many years ago with a Ford GPW block. The method I used was to boiler stitch the crack, with complete success.It's some what time consuming, but you are not subjecting the block to various heat variations though the application of welding. If you are not sure how to do boiler stitching, let me know and I'll forward the details to you
Cheers
Keith