F60L Cab 12 truck

[Shane]

I am very happy to hear this door fits my truck, thanks again lads for the help im over the moon with the good news. Now to find the drivers door someone out there must know where one is

[Shane]

Here is Hugh talking to Keith about my truck and the brakes.

We got a lot done in one day but we were held back by a leaking hub

Happy to get this done today.

Got all tyres on the rims as well thanks to Hugh showing me how.

lWell this is me very happy with the progress so far

[Keith Webb]

So that's what Hugh looks like when he's talking to me.

Has anyone else seen this brake hose setup on a Ford 3 toner? Usually the first hose goes to the diff, then there are pipes to each steering end then a hose to each wheel cylinder from there, making 3 in all for the front.

The two hose setup I have seen on the F15...

[Grant Bowker]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

Has anyone else seen this brake hose setup on a Ford 3 toner? Usually the first hose goes to the diff, then there are pipes to each steering end then a hose to each wheel cylinder from there, making 3 in all for the front.
The two hose setup I have seen on the F15...

On Chevrolets it is more a case of early trucks went from the frame direct to the wheel cylinders and later was frame to differential and then out to the wheels. There was a Chevrolet Service Bulletin listing the process to convert from the early setup to the later one. I don't know if the same thing applied to Fords. I haven't seen original documentation of the reason for the change but believe it is to do with the original long hoses being more vulnerable to damage.

[Shane]

So does anyone know if this would fit the cab 12?????

[Ganmain Tony]

Its the later box Shane usually seen on Cab 13's.

But grab it quick, it'll fit. I ve got one one the back of mine...


QUICK!!! GO!!!! GO GET IT!!!! NOW!!!!

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Shane

As Tony says grab the drop side if it is in restorable or useable condition. As body swapping was common, using it on an earlier chassis would not be out of place. Take a look at the pictures on my web page (link below) showing drop sides on Pat 11 or 12 in use in North Africa and else where. These photos were posted on MLU over the years. Besides it will serve until you find the perfect body.

But I'll give you another reason though, the drop side cargo box is the most useful body you can imagine. So much easier to use than a tail gate only cargo body. After looking at pictures of the Australian drop side bodies I fabricated one for my C60L Pattern 12 and it is the most useful truck I have ever owned. http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/P...20a%20Body.htm

What I don't understand is why only the Australians figured out that the drop side design had so many useful advantages.

Cheers Phil

[hrpearce]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

Has anyone else seen this brake hose setup on a Ford 3 toner? Usually the first hose goes to the diff, then there are pipes to each steering end then a hose to each wheel cylinder from there, making 3 in all for the front.

The two hose setup I have seen on the F15...

Hi Keith I have a cab 12 in my shed with that brake pipe set up.

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by hrpearce

Hi Keith I have a cab 12 in my shed with that brake pipe set up.

Well there you go, must have been an early production thing. That Ford looks somehow familiar.

[Shane]

This is great news lads i will buy it today for $500 (cheers Hugh)and think its a great buy it does need a fair bit of work but what dosent when doing a restoration( i hope you are reading this Colin) Thankyou all so much for your feedback its great that this forum is so helpful When i first got the truck it had the brake set up the same as im doing now so i hope its right, ive still got heaps of questions and will keep posting more pictures as i go along. I will shoot around to Hughs place tonight and take some close ups of the tray so you can see the work it will need. Also lads please keep your eyes and ears open for a drivers door(i like the truck without doors but dont think the SAPOL boys would be happy about it Great photos Phil cheers mate

[Bob Carriere]

On all the early Chev C15a cab 11 that I have seen they had the long rubber flex line go from a hole in the frame directly to the wheel cylinder..... with a funny spring holding the rubber brake line up out of harms way. I actually found a full box of these springs at the Weare rally in New Hampshire. The end of the spring is tied to one of the inner fender bolts.

I have taken precaution to restore my cab 11 in the same fashion. I have other later Chevy cab 12 that have a shorter flex rubber line going to a bracket to the centre of the front axle.... a steel tube then goes to a bracket, on each side, on one of the bolts of the egg cup mounting flange and a short rubber line to the wheel cylinder.

A cab 11 with chains on the early set up front axle would have had very vulnerable brake lines......

Bob

[Shane]

Ok lads here are more photos of the tray, still a go for me and prefer this to the original timber tray.



So let me know what you think of the tray.

[hrpearce]

It's no worse than mine and I think half the fun is working out how to fix things with what resources you can muster.

[Bob Carriere]

Nuthin' a good body man could not fix in 15 or 20 minutes.

Bob C.

[Ganmain Tony]

You wont find another Shane, its well worth repairing. Having the tailgate intact is a major bonus.


Bob C - I've sent you a PM...

[Keith Webb]

For inspiration here is the AWM's example which I photographed at the Mitchell Annexe some years ago. The rear body is original, and amazingly the tarp had been stored in a shed and is the one the vehicle was demobbed with.

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Shane

Ok lads here are more photos of the tray, still a go for me and prefer this to the original timber tray.Attachment 59227 Attachment 59228
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Attachment 59231 So let me know what you think of the tray.

As Ganmain Tony can tell you this type of body was used to replace the body on some of the 2pdr portee cab 12s during the war. It will look great.

[Shane]

Cheers lads

Thats all the inspiration i need I have just bought 1 front hub seal, engine mounts and rear hub seals from Ross Prince so im hoping to get the rest of the brakes and wheels on in the next few weeks. Keith the picture of the above cab looks great cant wait to see mine like that mate. Thanks again all for the comments most helpful for a bloke with minimal knowledge on restorations.


OH and did i mention i may need some help from COLIN JONES hes the only good body man i know

[Keith Webb]

Did Hugh mention I have one of the front vents should you still need it.

[Shane]

Cheers Keith.

Yes mate i still need one and i dont expect something for nothing so let me know what she is worth and the postage. Thankyou again Keith.

[Keith Webb]

I'll have to remove it from the panel first, otherwise postage might be a little high.

[Shane]

Hi lads.

These bits came in a box with the truck so i dont know if any belong with the cab 12 Any ideas

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Shane

Hi lads.

These bits came in a box with the truck so i dont know if any belong with the cab 12 Any ideas


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Looks like the sliding window pieces for the rear window in the cab, a crank handle (not the one with the socket), rear mudguards and battery clamp (the one on the right).

[Shane]

Thanks Keith.

So does that mean there was no glass in the rear window or just plates? The mud guards seem to be bolted together for some reason, is the crank handle the correct one for the cab 12? Thanks again for the feed back

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Shane

Thanks Keith.

So does that mean there was no glass in the rear window or just plates? The mud guards seem to be bolted together for some reason, is the crank handle the correct one for the cab 12? Thanks again for the feed back

Yes, that's right but not all cab 12s had even that.
You'd need to try the crank handle and then see if the mudguards fit the body from Hugh.

[Shane]

Keith when you say some didnt even have that what do you mean? What no slide or glass?

[Keith Webb]

I don't know whether they all had steel sliding panels or only some were equipped... I have never seen glass there as an original factory fitment, but sometimes this was done in civvy life.

[hrpearce]

Originally Posted by Shane

Keith when you say some didnt even have that what do you mean? What no slide or glass?

Shane My cab 13 didn't have the sliding plates it was fitted with a canvas flap screwed to the back of the cab above the window. There is no evidence left on the cab to show how it was tied down, there are two hooks where the canvas was screwed to the cab that straps were hooked to too hold the rolled canvas up. Eventually I will fit glass.

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by hrpearce

Shane My cab 13 didn't have the sliding plates it was fitted with a canvas flap screwed to the back of the cab above the window. There is no evidence left on the cab to show how it was tied down, there are two hooks where the canvas was screwed to the cab that straps were hooked to too hold the rolled canvas up. Eventually I will fit glass.

Robert, I think all the Australian cab 13 Chevs had canvas as did Fords.

[Howard]

Gday all,
Shane, my (unrestored) 12 cab F15 has a glass window, as does GT's F60L (and did before restoration), also the remains of a cab 12F60L that I have, has the glass frame.
My old man told me the F15 had glass for a long as he can remember.
Of the two 13 cab fords that I have, one has the sliding covers, and the other seems like it may have had the sliding covers, too.
I know of at least one unrestored 12 cab F60L that has the sliders, too.
As with a lot of things cmp, it seems that there isn't a right and wrong answer. These things were bolted together in a hurry with whatever was available, and then modified in the field probably more than once, and then modified post-service using, again, whatever was available.
From my observations, and point of view, your truck could have originally had either. And you should fit whichever you feel you'd like to have. Don't get too worried about the finer details. It is not a GT falcon, and no body it's going to have a go at you about such details. Just get her on the road and running right, looking presentable, and you will have a lot of fans.
Cheers
H