Impressive performance by a Dodge

[Keith Webb]

Perhaps not the Dodge you were thinking, but impressive nonetheless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq2jY...layer_embedded

[Hanno Spoelstra]

So what was the trick?

Limited slip differential? Reckless rally driver?

H.

[Lynn Eades]

Hanno, Skinny wheels get the weight down to the hard.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

Hanno, Skinny wheels get the weight down to the hard.

Was there any "hard" under that mud? Or is the car that light it actually floats through the mud on those skinny's?

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Keith

That is a great video, really puts terms like SUV and OFF ROAD in perspective of time.

But it takes some of the impressiveness out of a series of videos I was going to post links too:


Part 1 of 4 Videos of the Dresden Breslau Rally these videos a real hoot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_154389&feature=iv&s rc_vid=-NlHL9iQj08&v=15UZexBDbuA

If that is not enough here is a link to a series of 31 videos on the Rally.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOEPH...A581C0C72336AA

If the links don't work pop over to where I post links to stuff like this for our club newsletter. http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.com/NEWSLETTER%20EXTRA.htm

Cheers Phil

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Was there any "hard" under that mud? Or is the car that light it actually floats through the mud on those skinny's?

In Normandy 1994 at the MVT camp, heavy rain turned the field in to a quagmire and although there was a section of metal trackway from the gate, once off it a lot of all wheel drive vehicles including jeeps were struggling .......until a 1930's Austin Seven wireless car popped up, the driver went straight in a bobbed along through the mud just like the Dodge, got to the top of the field and parked up ....... great to see, wish we had filmed it.

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

a lot of all wheel drive vehicles including jeeps were struggling .......until a 1930's Austin Seven wireless car popped up, the driver went straight in a bobbed along through the mud just like the Dodge, got to the top of the field and parked up.

Great story Richard, and a good example of the skinny wheel principle. I bet there were some red faces amongst the jeep owners!

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Richard Farrant

In Normandy 1994 at the MVT camp, heavy rain turned the field in to a quagmire and although there was a section of metal trackway from the gate, once off it a lot of all wheel drive vehicles including jeeps were struggling .......until a 1930's Austin Seven wireless car popped up, the driver went straight in a bobbed along through the mud just like the Dodge, got to the top of the field and parked up ....... great to see, wish we had filmed it.

A bit like this ... http://youtu.be/cqxxsJSHkyc

It's not the car that starts bouncing, it's the drivers hopping up and down!

H.

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Was there any "hard" under that mud? Or is the car that light it actually floats through the mud on those skinny's?

It's an interesting question Hanno, I've always marvelled at the off-road capabilities of these old vintage cars, especially in mud. Contrary to popular belief they're actually quite heavy, the Dodge seen in this footage is specified at 2810 lbs. The fast motion in these old silent movies tends to make them appear lightweight, and the reason they tip over so easily is the high C of G. If you watch the two blokes rolling it over you can see it rotates around the motor, which virtually stays at the same level. Also the body height allows them to exert much more strength, and I notice it balances nicely on the point of the roof and the mudguard.

On the question of traction I agree with Lynn - there's always "hard" under the mud, it's just a question of depth. The great advantage of skinny wheels is they slice through the mud like a knife through butter, rather than having to force it out to the sides like a wide modern tyre. That means there's very little rolling resistance to overcome, and the much smaller contact area with the "hard" surface below provides much higher tyre loading, which greatly increases friction - ie. traction. Hence you really don't need a limited slip diff, they've only become necessary with the advent of much wider tyres.

Of course, the "skinny wheel principle" doesn't apply on sand, because there's no "hard" below!

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...-Model-30.aspx

[Little Jo]

Hi Guys

A 1920 Dodge. A bit unbelievable given it was only rear wheel drive and they didn't have to crank it to start. They did amazing things, not shown, to advertise cars in those days.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nq2jY1trxqg?rel=0

Cheers

Tony

[Richard Coutts-Smith]

Tony, Tony, Tony,
Time to take your memory pills, already discussed this at length:
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ighlight=DODGE
Rich.

[Little Jo]

Originally Posted by Richard Coutts-Smith

Tony, Tony, Tony,
Time to take your memory pills, already discussed this at length:
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ighlight=DODGE
Rich.

Richard

My apologies old chap and to all MLU members. I must have suffered a seniors moment, or I am just worn out from shifting house. I have booked in for the brain scan

Cheers

Tony

[Tony Smith]

Old vehicles can be such fun, don't try this in a shiny, new 4wd.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nq2jY1trxqg?rel=0

[maple_leaf_eh]

An engine rated at 35 hp moving a 2200lb car on skinny tires with no tread, and leaf springs. That is working everything pretty hard.

[Lynn Eades]

I love the way they wound up the unbroken windows after it was back on its wheels.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

Old vehicles can be such fun, don't try this in a shiny, new 4wd.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nq2jY1trxqg?rel=0

Thanks for sharing. That 'oil field Dodge' rang a bell - indeed it was shared on here 5 years ago, so I merged both threads.