M113 Lynx photos needed for book project

[SilvioI]

Hello All,
I am a freelance writer for Military Vehicle Magazine and have decided to try to put together my first book project. The vehicle I have chosen is the M113 1/2 Lynx as I have access to a fully restored example for detailed pictures.

I am looking for any photos or info any members may have of the vehicle. Any one who can contribute photos or info will receive credit for the photos and sent a copy of the book.

I have contacted:

Ontario Regiment Museum (got a manual)
Bolvington (Swim test photos)
Canadian National Archives (Some pictures


Thanks,
Silvio Iacuone

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Silvio

When I saw just the thread heading, immediately thought of responding by referring down to someone down in Rhode Island then opened the thread and saw that it was you asking the question.

Hope everyone on MLU with photos and information on M113 Lynx family of vehicles will chime in.

Looking forward to seeing the results of your efforts.

Cheers Phil

[SilvioI]

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Hi Silvio

When I saw just the thread heading, immediately thought of responding by referring down to someone down in Rhode Island then opened the thread and saw that it was you asking the question.

Hope everyone on MLU with photos and information on M113 Lynx family of vehicles will chime in.

Looking forward to seeing the results of your efforts.

Cheers Phil

Lol, thanks. I have today made contact with 2 former crew members who have agreed to help.

Thanks everyone.

[Ed Storey]

If the Lynx data plate does indeed have M113 1/2 on it, then that would be the only recorded instance in which the long established US Ordnance M series list was not adhered to by using a fraction. It would also be the only time that official publications did not refer to the M number in the title.

If it were to have an M number, then M113E3 or even M114E1 would be more in line with the sequence.

[maple_leaf_eh]

There are a few Lynx on display in Canada. The one closest to me is an outdoor display at Connaught Ranges. I attached a snap.

One interesting user of the Canadian Lynxes is the Islamic Republic of Iran. When the brigade closed down in Germany, the Lynxes were deemed surplus (they were going to be retired in Canada anyways). They were stripped of the engines, because these parts had a civilian application. At some point the vehicles were sold to a Dutch scrapyard. From there the Canadians had no more interest or issues. From there the Iranians somehow got their hands on some or all of the Lynxes. I attached the only pictures I have.

Finally, spend $5 and request all the vehicle information from the Department of National Defence. There is a more expansive instruction on the CFR request thread.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

They were stripped of the engines, because these parts had a civilian application..

To the best of my knowledge, it was not a civilian application, but rather the DND provided used engines for the remainder of the M113 fleet. I noted a few TFRs from Bosnia where they complained of receiving used engines which were unserviceable as replacements for the M113s.

This source of supply remains today with used parts being removed from LSVWs and MLVWs during the dismantling process at the prisons. From my experience, the guys signing the condition and serviceability tags are not too discerning.

[Ed Storey]

The Lynx was not a standardized U.S. Army vehicle, therefore it did not have an M number, even though it did share a number of components with the M113, M548, and M577 series of vehicles. I own a number of Lynx publications and have yet to find one that refers to the vehicle as M113 1/2.

The correct name for the vehicle is: Carrier, Command and Reconnaissance Full Tracked, Armoured, Lynx.

[SilvioI]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

The Lynx was not a standardized U.S. Army vehicle, therefore it did not have an M number, even though it did share a number of components with the M113, M548, and M577 series of vehicles. I own a number of Lynx publications and have yet to find one that refers to the vehicle as M113 1/2.

The correct name for the vehicle is: Carrier, Command and Reconnaissance Full Tracked, Armoured, Lynx.

Interesting, I can however tell you that our data plate shows M113 1/2 or Recce vehicle or something similar, will check tomorrow.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

The Lynx was not a standardized U.S. Army vehicle, therefore it did not have an M number, even though it did share a number of components with the M113, M548, and M577 series of vehicles. I own a number of Lynx publications and have yet to find one that refers to the vehicle as M113 1/2.

The correct name for the vehicle is: Carrier, Command and Reconnaissance Full Tracked, Armoured, Lynx.

Agreed. I have seen the EDR pages. The name is CARRIER RECCE LYNX
The VMO name is CARRIER COMMAND AND RECCE ARMD LYNX FULL TRKD
The Vehicle Class is ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLE
The Vehicle type is LYNX.

If it was going to have a fraction M-series number, it would have been listed there.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

The Lynx was not a standardized U.S. Army vehicle, therefore it did not have an M number, even though it did share a number of components with the M113, M548, and M577 series of vehicles. I own a number of Lynx publications and have yet to find one that refers to the vehicle as M113 1/2.

The correct name for the vehicle is: Carrier, Command and Reconnaissance Full Tracked, Armoured, Lynx.

Looking up the designation on Google, it appears on a number of hits, and from this link below, it indicates that M113 1/2 was given by the makers, FMC and not a US military designation.
http://tanknutdave.com/armoured-comm...sance-vehicle/

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by rob love

To the best of my knowledge, it was not a civilian application, but rather the DND provided used engines for the remainder of the M113 fleet. I noted a few TFRs from Bosnia where they complained of receiving used engines which were unserviceable as replacements for the M113s.

This source of supply remains today with used parts being removed from LSVWs and MLVWs during the dismantling process at the prisons. From my experience, the guys signing the condition and serviceability tags are not too discerning.

What is a TFR?

[rob love]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

What is a TFR?

It is a technical failure report. They are like a Unsatisfactory Condition Report (UCR), but for the technical end. I had to fill out a number of TFRs over my military career, and even did one as a civilian contractor. The good thing with them is that they let a Life Cycle Material Manager know when there are repeated failures in a fleet that will demand their attention. As well, it can be a way for the mechanic in the field to get a higher level of technical expertise and investigation to result in solutions to technical problems.

While they are often replaced these days with an email query, those do not end up on a TFR summary. The summaries came out every quarter and listed all the TFRs submitted in that quarter along with the solutions if they were already found. By reading the TFR summary, a mechanic could occasionally quickly solve some of life's mysteries.

An example of this was when I worked in 2PPCLI tool crib. A fellow mechanic came to me asking for the front axle engagement (air) switch on the MLVW dash because it was leaking oil on the driver's foot. I told him that instead of the switch, what he needed to do was change the breather on top of the transfer case. He did that and it worked. I then had his MCpl at my counter asking how come I knew this crap. It was in the TFR summary for that quarter. Apparently, the main gaskets on the transfer cases were de-composing and plugging up the breather (vent) valve, causing pressure to build up in the transfer case. This in turn caused oil to run out the change switch on the dash. A new switch would do nothing.

How I do ramble on......I must be getting old.

[Ed Storey]

Rob, it was not rambling but an excellent example that highlighted the reasoning for all of the reporting and the various levels of reporting.

[SilvioI]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

There are a few Lynx on display in Canada. The one closest to me is an outdoor display at Connaught Ranges. I attached a snap.

One interesting user of the Canadian Lynxes is the Islamic Republic of Iran. When the brigade closed down in Germany, the Lynxes were deemed surplus (they were going to be retired in Canada anyways). They were stripped of the engines, because these parts had a civilian application. At some point the vehicles were sold to a Dutch scrapyard. From there the Canadians had no more interest or issues. From there the Iranians somehow got their hands on some or all of the Lynxes. I attached the only pictures I have.

Finally, spend $5 and request all the vehicle information from the Department of National Defence. There is a more expansive instruction on the CFR request thread.

I did a site search but with no results, where is the CFR request thread?

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by SilvioI

I did a site search but with no results, where is the CFR request thread?

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14402

(People with legitimate access can access a maintenance record database. As of a few weeks ago, disclosure rules were reinforced and those people should not misuse their privilages.)