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LPG fuel around the world...
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I find your comments interesting, as I am passionate about LPG as a fuel. I am interested to know what is going on with LPG and the thoughts of other MLU'ers in other parts of the world... I reckon every vehicle in Australia (and the world!) should run on LPG. We have massive reserves of it, conversion is affordable, and LPG is affordable, and it's 'greener' than other fuels... I have a used 10 year old Fairlane 4.0 litre which for you readers over the waters, is a very large luxury sedan. It has over 220,000km on the clock. On a trip last weekend to see my Sister (1200km round trip) it cost me around $50 to travel around 550km. Or, to be precise, 68 litres of LPG = $47.60 = 548km ($8.68/100km) Compared to ULP, 68 litres of ULP = $115.60 = 650km ($17.78/100km) Which makes my car cheaper to fuel, service & maintain than a Corolla, and still have 160kW & 360Nm-ish on tap. And if someone tells you that LPG is a pain because of backfires etc, tell them to find an LPG mechanic who knows what they are doing. The 'second' Blitz project I have (the F60S) I plan to use quite regularly, and therefore it will be powered by a Windsor 5.0 litre, and will definitely run on dedicated LPG! I guess right now I should mention that I manage a workshop that specialises in LPG conversions.. We get our LPG Vapor Sequential Injection parts from Italy, the quality of the product is very high. We also fit LPG assist to Diesel vehicles, but that's a whole new story...
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We have an increasing number of LPG stations here. However sometimes buyers are put off by the rigmarole of fueling. We also have/had CNG or Compressed Natural Gas used by local buses. This is just ordinary gas from the network compressed and stored in a vehicle tank. LPG is taxed much lower than petrol or diesel but has less calorific value so a car that does say 35 miles per gallon (Imperial) may just do 20 or so. Of course you also need petrol to start the engine, although combuned the range increases dramatically as you can switch from on fuel to the other on the road.
Regrettably all gas-tank equipped vehicles are banned from the Channel Tunnel so that means going by ferry. However gas-powereds are I think exempt from the London Congestion Charge. Our local Supermarket has just started offering Biodiesel which is good news. |
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The Cdn Department of national Defense tried using it in the 80s, and it was finally dropped as the overall cost of the project was exorbitant, and the reliability in our cold climate was poor. I used to have to go recover cars which a pilot would park for 2 hours while he took a flight, and we would finally have to tow them indoors and leave them to get them to start. Temps were in the -25 range, but that is the fact of life here on the prairies.
While the fuel is basically a salvage from the refining processes, it did not take long for the cost of that fuel to reach, and even exceed, gasoline. |
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LPG may be the only alternative for antique cars
Don't know about the rest of the world but I suspect that LPG may become the only practical answer for antique cars in the US. Though I can find no documentation for it I suspect that gasoline in the US is moving toward a blend that will only work with fuel injection. There have been a number of attempts over the years to get all the old POLUTING cars off the road, regulatory attempts such as requiring all vehicles (regardless of age) to pass the pollution test etc.
If you think that they would just change the blend so that it will not work in a carburetor just think about. The change the blend taking out lead as a valve lubricant, started adding alcohol to the point where it will eat fuel system rubber parts, change the characteristic so that gas burns hotter. All of these things have been done without care for the effect on antique cars. I was going to ask what the outcome of the Canadian Military experiment was, so thanks Rob for that information. Rob do you know of any detail information about that effort that is available to the public. So looking at LPG as an alternative is very logical. At one point Toyota had a LPG system for their industrial engines similar to the Chevy 6, so I think there are alternatives the question is going to be matching the RPM and Torque Curves along with the CFM flows.
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As spair fuel
Question- How far can you go on one of the barbecue tanks?
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You'll have to change the BBQ tank from pounds to gallons. The LPG generally got about 5% to 10% less mileage than gasoline, with the exception of the Ford inline 6, which got terrible results.
I don't have any data re the total cost to the forces, but it is regarded as an expensive failed experiment. I have seen some total cost of it all somewhere, but don't recall where. |
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Diesel fuels aren't really relevant to old MVs, but since the 60's there has been a shift to Diesel powered vehicles, including Multi-Fuel, the specs for which includethe use of Avtur and Biodiesel. Can't wait until the M1030M1 comes on the Surplus market!
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For comparison, today´s prices in Holland:
Petrol (Euro 95) EUR 1,54 Diesel EUR 1,32 LPG EUR 0,69 ... and mind you, these are per litre(!)
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I checked the prices in town today. Gas is $1.21 and propane is $1.01. With a 15% loss in efficiency there's no savings to be had but that can change.
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An update on LPG
From what I can gather there is a new compliance law coming into effect in Europe regarding low temp operations. Called "R115" can anyone shed some light on this? HH
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