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F15A with 6-pdr
This is a shot from the same film as on the carrier forum, but now a ford F15A with a 6-pounder , they stayed a few days at a farm not far from our home before they moved on.
Hendrik Dirk, now you understand
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Hendrik, interesting photo! The pic below shows a C15A towing 6-pdr AT gun of the 48th Highlanders in Italy, 1944. The 48th antitank platoon had used CMP 15cwt trucks to tow their guns and provide all-weather protection for the crews, all through the Italian campaign, and later in Holland. Maybe your pic depicts a 48th Highlanders truck as well?
Regards, Hanno (who now wants a 6-pdr to tow behind his F15A as well. . .) Quote:
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Ya beat me to it, Hanno, but thanks! Yes, the 48th Antitank Platoon stayed with their 15cwts... they got exactly one T-16 in Holland and hated the bloody thing.
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What does a 6 pounder weigh
Curious what does a 6 pounder weigh I’m still hunting one for my Patter 12 C60L
I can understand wanting to tow it with a smaller truck for maneuverability but any thing over 25 mph would be really interesting to stop. With a 101" wheel base any angle on the towed load at speed would be deadly. Little bit like the tandem Jeeps for pulling 105s.
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try towing a 17lb gun with a 15CWT truck
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Hello Hanno, it is a truck from the Loyal Edmononton Regiment, I had a something with the 48th Highlanders, I have played the Tenor drums in "The 48th Higlanders of Holland Pipes and drums"we were also in Normandy 2004 with the band and the Dodge WC 51
Hendrik
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With or without a toe tag
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Did either the 6 or 17 pounder have brakes controlled by the towing vehicle or surge brakes? We've had a couple of strange accidents in our local MV club with people towing artillery. One involving a 57mm behind a CCKW one of the trailing arms came unlocked and swung out which changed the geometry so the gun swung out to the side and tried to pass the truck. The other was Jeep towing 37mm was rear ended by a car at the drive up window at McDonalds. The muzzle of the put and interesting dent in the hood of the offending vehicle.
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Re: With or without a toe tag
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Hendrik
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the morris that i have was made just for towing the 17lb gun. it could not have been a fun job!!!! at arnherm one problem that was found out is that all the carriers there were lightened bu removing all the un-needed items, like tow hooks and eyeletts!!!!!
that way there was no way to pull guns out of trouble spots when the morris or jeep was killed. kinda silly
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17-pdr
Did the 17-pounder airportable version have electric brakes?
I know that various Morris-Commercial tractors were converted to airportable form (as discussed previously) but according to a photo I have seen in the Airborne Museum archives at least one Ford? 15-cwt was converted to airportable and trialled in a Hamilcar. I would have thought that the CMP would have been more practical but they had the MCC conversions to hand as of end of 1943 say. I must go to Aldershot in the new year and see what I can find out about the CMP trials. |
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Quote:
Hendrik
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I know that man!
Hendrik
I found the picture of your pipeband very interseting. In 2003 I went to France with the Massed Pipeband that played at the opening of the Juno Beach Museum. Your Drum-Major Hank asked the bus company he drives for to be one of our drivers for the tour. One of the bands Drum-Majors luggage went missing and he had no uniform for the first parade. Hank had his uniform brought down in time and our Drum-Major wore Hanks 48th Highlanders uniform till his uniform caught up with him. We all thought that was a real great thing Hank did and made a great story for the trip. Gord |
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another shot
Herewith another shot from the same F15A.
Hendrik
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Re: What does a 6 pounder weigh
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- normal roads: 3 - hilly roads: 3 - cross country: 1 The figures for the C15A are the same, except for normal roads: 4 Weight of the 6-pdr AT gun is 1,140 kg / 2,520 lb, so that should not pose a problem on roads. The figures for the Ford and Chevrolet FGT are: - normal roads: 4 - hilly roads: 3 - cross country: 3 Total weight in action for the 17-pdr AT gun is 2100 kg, not a problem for the FGT. And in those days 20 mph was considered the maximum, convoys travelled at even less speed (source).
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Land Rover
Try towing a 17 pounder A/T gun with a Land Rover ....
Some years ago the South Aust. military vehicle club were lucky enough to be donated a 17 pounder gun , a club member, Andrew T , towed it home with his 2A Landie , along public roads ! Average Speed was about 10 MPH . Many years ago , a South Aust. collector ( We all know him , he goes to Corowa every year ) drove home a Staghound on one of the Freeways in Adelaide . Discovered on a farm , it hadn't moved for many years . It was got in driveable shape and driven home ........ A tyre blew out in the process . The cops even stopped for a look see , and let him go ...... Only in South Aust. ! It's the muddy water they drink ..... from the salt drain called the Murray River , causes mental problems . Mike
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More
Back in 1977 , the VMVC took on a public relations task , we supplied some vehicles for display at some of the larger shopping complexes around Melbourne , Eastland and Northland and Doncaster etc.
We had the 25 pounder to move around , the only towing appliance we had on hand was a Fordson WOA2 Heavy Utility with mechanical brakes ...... ! Saturday morning was the usual big move day . I recall following a weird procession along busy Saturday morning Melbourne roads , among cars zipping in and out - GPA , Jeep , WOA2 with 25 pounder in tow . If only I had a camera with me . Mike
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Hi,
tuppence from my own experience, albeit limited, I had absolutely no problem towing a 6Lber behind a Guy Ant 15cwt GS. The Ant has mechanical/cable brakes which, if set-up properly work very well. Anyway, 30mph was no problem in the truck. One day I even towed a 25lber limber (which has overide brakes) then a 6lber behind that, with an Indian 741B in the rear of the truck. That represents quite a load but I went up and over one steep hill easily , I was doing 30mph at the bottom and 35mph going over the crest. Stopping took a little longer, as you would expect but not to a scary degree. I never got a picture but it sure was a sight. Carriers, on the other hand pose a very different towing problem. They pivot on the inner track, and will jack-knife against the trails in a heartbeat if the turn is made too sharp. Cheers, Dave |
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17 Pounder Tractors
Hanno and Phil (et al.):
The 17 pounders were fitted with electrical brakes, however, I'm still not sure if it was at factory or if it was a modification ordered later in life. If a mod, I would really like to know when it was put in place. Yippee! More research! If my memory serves me well, all the 17 pounders I have examined have the fitting for the electrical brakes on the left hand trail leg. Not all have the whole kit installed, mine for example. One monument in a village near my home has the full kit including all the cables and the actuators. As for the towing of guns with undersized vehicles I quote my own post from 26 Aug: Quote:
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Here is David's Guy
towing the limber and 6 pdr at the National Rally at Hamilton in 1985.
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Hi Rob,
well done! I either forget the camera or my hands are too dirty. And let's not discuss the 'O' (light truck) sticker on the windscreen. Cheers, Dave |
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Well ahem, yes,
and was that when you needed a heavy trade licence for anything over 2 ton gross laden weight?
Rob |
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Intersting how threads tie together
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Cheers Phil
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- normal roads: 3 - hilly roads: 2 - cross country: 1 And for Guy Quad Ant: - normal roads: N.R. - hilly roads: N.R. - cross country: N.R. where, interestingly, N.R. stands for "Not Reccommended" (!)
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15-cwt ATT
Regarding 15-cwt Anti Tank Tractors, also see the threads
Cab 11 C15 and 2A1 body Ford Cab 13 ATT info requested
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