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Old 25-04-12, 02:50
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Can an axle assembly out of a CMP be installed on a carrier so that you can have hydraulic brakes? Is the gear ratio similar?

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Old 25-04-12, 04:40
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The answer is no. The brake back plates are carrier specific.
The Carrier ratio is 5.83:1 The CMP ratios from the F30 up, are all 7.16:1
The 5.83 diff is also found in the earlier Ford trucks particularly in the british fords with enclosed drive shafts.
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Old 25-04-12, 07:07
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Lynn, I know it would be expensive but could in theory that is, could you change the CW+P and the back plates ?
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Old 25-04-12, 07:39
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Hi John, why would you want to have hydraulic brakes? Just the axle is no use. You would have to build something in the front to control the brake cilinders too. That has to work is conjunction with the warp steering also. Not easy and in my opininon not worth al the trouble.

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Old 25-04-12, 10:17
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Yes, the back plates can be changed.
I dont know that the crown wheel and pinion can be changed.
The carrier diff has a flanged sleeve that slides into the front of the housing it has two separate back to back timken taper rollers. Most of the the CMP diffs uses a larger diameter one piece double cup with two cones, however one axle housing (f15?) probably works.

As it happens my carrier was originally built with hydraulic brakes.
This involved different back plates and drums made to use CMP brakes.
These were made in 1941. I have 3 sets. I have never seen any others.
I believe they were a bit of a failure.
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Old 25-04-12, 13:45
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Marc-The reason I would like hydraulic brakes is to make mine easier to steer. I have done a few "modifications" to my carrier so it only steers with the brakes. It works, but takes a lot of effort to turn. I just thought hydraulic conversion might make life easier.

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