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04-11-08, 17:18
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M38a1Cdn2, M38A1Cdn3 and M151A2 CFR range
I have often wondered where the CFR cutoffs were for the 3 jeep fleets from the late 60s to mid 70s. I happened on a source for the info, so here it is:
The M38A1Cdn2 (1967/68 model) ran from 67-07700 to 68-08499, which coincides with the production numbers commonly acepted for the Cdn2 of 800 units. The M38A1Cdn3 (1970/71 model) ran from 70-08500 to 71-09095, which would account for a purchase of 596 units. This also matches the figure given in Andrew Iarocci's recent pamphlet on the M38A1 iin Cdn service. Lastly is the M151A2 (1974/possibly 75?) range which runs from 74-09096 until 09860. This only accounts for 764 units, and differs significantly from the 935 quantity given in the M151a2 data summary. If anyone has evidence of a different block of CFR numbers used on the M151s, let me know and I can verify it. I am currently in a position to look up the applicable CFR to serial number, or vice versa I can supply a serial number to go with a CFR in case anyone needs this info for their Jeep restoration. I could take the time to manually write down all 2000 or so numbers, but I may skip the M151s since 98% ended up as scrap. See the things a guy will look up when he gets bored. 
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08-11-08, 04:27
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Rob, I could put up a page at RamTank.ca for the M38A1CDNx and this information could be held there. It would save you having to do individual look-ups and may lead to a Canadian registry of the beast. Clive
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Those who live by the sword will be shot by those of us who have progressed. - M38A1, 67-07800, ex LETE
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10-11-08, 00:29
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The Serial Number is: 46065 Thanks for your time in advance Scotty
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Gone but never forgotten: Sgt Shane Stachnik, Killed in Action on 3 Sept 2006, Panjwaii Afghanistan Last edited by Scott Bentley; 10-11-08 at 03:27.
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10-11-08, 21:51
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It would mean alot to me to be able to give it, its well earned Number when it comes time for paint. Thanks Scotty Last edited by Scott Bentley; 10-11-08 at 22:01.
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27-11-08, 17:58
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Your truck was CFR 74-09782. It had the standard ECC of 121401 and the ERN was 30105 which was also standard M151A2. It was aquired on 1 Jan 1974 (likely the contract date for the fleet as all of the mutts show the same date) and the last unit listed for it was ASU Gagetown. It was listed on a VMO for disposal on 27 Aug 86 and was listed as disposed of on the 14 Jan 87. I thought that I had posted this earlier, but the internet here is very dodgy so I guess my response ended up in cyberspace.
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27-11-08, 21:35
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Gone but never forgotten: Sgt Shane Stachnik, Killed in Action on 3 Sept 2006, Panjwaii Afghanistan
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28-11-08, 02:43
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Sent the $5.00 to DND ATIP and have already had a telephone conversation with them. I am waiting to see what they send. I also did a second request for the service and usage history of my M38A1 67-07800. Don't forget to duck. Clive
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28-11-08, 18:50
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Thats great news Clive.
I actually couldn't believe it when I accidently found that the Jeep CFRs were still protected and the data available on a DND website. Should make a lot of future collectors happy when they ask: What unit did my vehicle serve and what would have been it's original number?
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20-12-08, 19:09
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My M151 A2 is CFR 74-09235, sn 44004 uncut
It was used in Calgary 1974- 1985 1 CMBG HQ Sigs Sqn & CFB Calgary 1985 CFB Suffield 1985-1987 CFB Petawawa It still retains its original three patter camouflage. Eric
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Collecting data on the WW2 Canadian jeep and trailer. Serial, WD Numbers etc.
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29-05-09, 19:12
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Eric B, Steve H and I were going through some of Erics old Militia photos and Sentinel Mags etc. In the photos were at least one M151A2 that had a different CFR block from the usual 09*** block. Eric will have to post up the number as I forgot to write it down, but it did not begin with 0. My only fear is that range of numbers may have already been re-allocated to newer vehicles. Scotty B
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29-05-09, 22:13
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After reading that last post on the missing 151's, I checked the sheets of all the available CFR's I had printed off. Of course I didn't notice - but yes there are a block of numbers that start with 22350 to 22519. There are also x4 M151A2's that are CFR'd as follows - 63558, 77264, 78180 and 78184. Im' not going back to the shop until Monday, so I'll check the Serial Numbers then. I still only come up with 934. I'll recheck that as well. Cheers.
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29-05-09, 22:40
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26-06-09, 14:38
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searching for history of M38A1 Cdn3
I literally pulled a relic out of the woods last night. It has been sitting for 15-20years- owner cannot recollect details. Vandals set a fire and burned top, seats and melted dash board instruments and steering wheel. Also at one point someone had stolen seat frames, tail light lenses, front b.o lights. As well many snakes have made their home under the hood.
Anyway the good news is that I inflated the tires and the tubes held up. The brakes wern't siezed so it rolled right out. I'm looking for any info on the service history of this vehicle. The info I have is as follows: Painted across dash 70-08624 stenciled on left side of body A24 MFR serial # 99836 date 12-70 contract # MEO 0058 other aspects that may help side mounted spare fwd of passenger door steel grate mounted over right side reat bumperett Looks as though something was mounted on rear body corners- only drill holes remain realtive thin metal casewith lid afixed to rear right interior fender wall. any help would be appreciated
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26-06-09, 15:46
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It also has two brackets on rear crossmember with bolt holes on the horizontal which could be an attaching point for some sort of device or attachment- perhaps the boom you are referring to. Are there any photographs of vehicle on the web or in some achive that you could direct me?
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28-06-09, 04:49
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Cfr# 70-08624
Dparker -
Might as well add this to your Jeeps background. Was checking on another CFR and figured you may want this. CFR# 1970-08624 Serial No. 99836 ECC (Equipment Classification Code) 121308 Truck, Utility, 1/4 Ton, 4x4, M38A1CDN3, Cable Laying Acquired Date 01 Jan 1970 Original UIC (Unit Identification Code) 0124 CFB Toronto (now dormant) VMO (Vehicle Movement Order) No. DP358797 08 Feb 1987 Disposal date 23 July 1987 Selling price $1403.00 Last holding notice 02 Feb 1988 Holding unit history says that it belonged to UIC 0106 CFB/ASU Valcartier from 01 Jan 1970 to 21 July 1983. Seems to be a discrepancy here for the 01 Jan 1970 date of original UIC and this Valcartier date? Work Order history shows only 2 visits of the 8 Correctve visits listed. The first record is complete as of 07 Feb 1977. Work was done by Sect Ent 5e Bn Svc. The holding unit is listed at this time as Sect Ent St-Hubert UIC 2208 which is now dormant. This holding unit info also seems to be questionable. I'm thinking the record keeping may have been a bit lax somewhere along the line? 1970 to 1987 and only 8 corrective visits can't be correct. Also, the Trade codes that performed the work are 101 and 302 for a time total of 20 hours labor. These trades no longer exist and may have been amalgamated to another trade or the responsibility given to another one all together. As for what these trades were I have no idea. The second W.O. is listed complete as of 26 July 1983. Work on this was performed by ASU Toronto maint section. 2 hours labor for a Vehicle Tech. (411). The UIC 0124 for CFB Toronto is listed as the Jeeps owner at this time. The odometer reading upon completion was 12656 miles. That is all the available info I could gather - not as much as I would like to give you, but hey, it's likely more than what you had. Good news is it's a confirmed Cable Layer! I don't know about web based photos of this variant, but I do have a document from 23 Jan 1959 from the "Army Development Establishment" in Ottawa that has "Restricted" prominately displayed at the top and bottom. It is called Equipment Characteristics Sheet For Truck, Utility, 1/4 Ton, 4x4, M38A1CDN Cable Laying Kit. I am pretty certain the 50+ year old info is not going to mean, that should I post it here, a dark colored SUV will be in my driveway shortly after, but....I am still hesitant due to my profession. I will scan the photo and kit layout Monday and await your pvt. msg. should you care to learn more. Cheers, Craig
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14-07-09, 05:14
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mutts
hi guys.a little while ago we were talking about mutts.just noticed tonight on kijiji ottawa antique section the 4 mutt bodies that were sold at auction a year and a half ago.plus the parts.he says one body is nos.regards jim fraser.
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13-02-10, 19:38
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Hello: I have a 1968 M38A1 with a S/N 97411,the body is long gone and l have not found any evidence of a CFR number anywhere. My restoration is near complete now except for minor details. Is the service history and CFR number obtainable? Is it correct that the CFR # was not stamped into the frt driver side frame rail behind bumper on the Cdn 2 and Cdn 3 jeep, but was stamped on the 53 M38A1? Any help would be greatly appreciated by all.
Thanks Brian R.
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13-02-10, 20:03
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19-02-10, 01:15
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Any luck that you may have info access re; CFR's on the M38 Cdns ? I have 3 of my M38 Cdns that need CFR # help if possible
F100193 [Date of Delivery missing as orig plate not available but full ownership paperwork remains ] currently ground up restored . F100612 Date of Delivery 4-30-52 [currently rescued in peices] F102127 date of Delivery 2-25-53 [yes- clear as a bell feb,25th,1953] -dont know if it had been held up or ? but data plates all there ,orig and clear as a bell -rescued it from a CFB Petawawa soldier who had obtained it ,went back overseas and sold it to me........[kinda adjusts the general last known researched delivery date] Cdn Govt Licensed ,as far back as can be searched, as a 53 Ford M38 - CFR frame horn stamp ground illegible .... Jeep solid steel and an easy resto candidate.... Any help appreciated
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13-08-11, 18:03
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Former CAF Europe M151a2
Hallo gents,
I own a former CAF Europe M151a2, she spots on front bumper number 74-22375 and HORNET (dot) CAF, rear bumper 74-22375 and Canada Flag, inside the hood HORNET-CAF and a round sticker on he windshield silver with the red maple leaf and written HORNET CAF all these are surely original. So I suppose that she served in Baden Soellinghen. Anyone knows anything about my car?  Thank you for the help!
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