Paint

Mike Timoshyk · #1 03-02-10, 01:18

Good day everyone,

Paint....so many threads have been dedicated to this one subject. For those of us fortunate enough to have access to suppliers it is a simple task to find what you want. For those "out in the sticks" it is not quite as easy.

For those of you coming to Acton in March, I have a request. Please bring along a sample of paint that was used during WW2 by the allies. I wish to get the color copied and the formula registered at a paint company. Which company you may ask, MacDonald and White of Windsor Ontario. The original suppliers of paint to Ford during WW2. I have already had them produce several shades and I am very pleased with the outcome. I would like all colors not just WW2. NATO colors, American, British, French and so on. If you bring an item for an example I will ensure you get the item back...don't bring in a whole truck hood....something small that I can easily be posted back if necessary. I am currently talking with MacDonald and White about them setting up an information or product booth at the militarymuster. I will let you know if they are receptive. In fact if they are you will be able to order paint to be picked up at the show. They charge with tax about $40 per gallon. An excellent price.

So there you have it. An opportunity to contribute to a paint database and an opportunity to have your paint needs met and picked up at the show. If in fact M&W do not wish to participate in the show...I will be able to handle the orders and bring the paint out myself. Either way it is a win-win for those who need paint.

Those with examples send me a PM and I will let you know if I already have a sample.

I will keep you all informed if MacDonald and White will be at the show.

cheers

Mike Timoshyk
Military Vehicle and Event Coordinator
Southern Ontario Military Muster 2010

www.militarymuster.org

Jordan Baker · #2 03-02-10, 02:34

I have a small flat CMP piece that is painted in SCC2

BCBlitz · #3 03-02-10, 16:26

Morning Mike

This is a great thing your doing for the hobby, I know WWII was a long time ago but it kinda surprises me they dont have any of there own samples left from that period if its the same Co. who did it back than, which in itself is amazing in this modern age.

I just hope the Khaki brown OD is dead flat as thats what will be going on my F15A one day, and now I have a CDN supplier, things cant get much better........ unless they do the zinc primer too !

cheers from mild 1C foggy Nelson BC, Canada

Mike Timoshyk · #4 03-02-10, 18:29

A couple of you have asked why the old codes from the company are not used. Just to keep you in the picture here is the following explanation(s).

M&W although still in production has changed hands from the previous owners due to that ever continueing saga of getting old. The gentlemen who were in business during the 40's no longer reside in this dimension. The company although very proud of its lineage did not, back in the 50s or 60s have any further use for material, data etc from the wartime production era. As with most companies they look forward and the past although important is not always a priority. Take Ford of Canada and their archives....no one is looking after that section of the company and they really do not give a damn. They are trying to survive in todays market, but I digress. With newer pigments, fixers and processes even with the old codes it may not be possible to exact the conditions and contents. Thus my journey and with the cooperation of the hobby at large I will endeavour to provide a source for that all important last stage of restoration....PAINT.

tschuss alles aus die heimat der Ford CMP

Mike Timoshyk

derk derin · #5 04-02-10, 07:34

Mike,
I am glad you brought up the subject of paint for CMP's as I will need to find a source and a proper color to paint my Ford CMP ambulance and all I have to go on as far as an original color is the seat frames.The covers protected the paint from fading and looks like a semi gloss green?On the inside storage compartment of the ambulance box seems to be the same color.Is this proper for a CMP to be painted for a 1944 production.If it is,the best thing for me to do is bring in the seat frame to the paint shop and have them scan and mix the paint from the seat sample or is there a company in Winnipeg I can go to that has the proper code recorded I can go to?Thanks,
Derk.

Mike Timoshyk · #6 05-02-10, 01:00

Hi Derek,

I am no expert on paint and can only give you my opinion. My request for matches outlines my desire to learn more. With regards to your seat frames, what a great example of what appears to be original paint. I have noticed in other shots that pics on the web don't always reflect the actual color under natural light. Same goes for taking pics under flouresent light. All the same you seen to have an nice example in which to get a color match. Best of luck on your journey....

cheers

Mike

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #7 05-02-10, 01:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by derk derin

Mike,
I am glad you brought up the subject of paint for CMP's as I will need to find a source and a proper color to paint my Ford CMP ambulance and all I have to go on as far as an original color is the seat frames.The covers protected the paint from fading and looks like a semi gloss green?On the inside storage compartment of the ambulance box seems to be the same color.Is this proper for a CMP to be painted for a 1944 production.If it is,the best thing for me to do is bring in the seat frame to the paint shop and have them scan and mix the paint from the seat sample or is there a company in Winnipeg I can go to that has the proper code recorded I can go to?Thanks,
Derk.

Derk, the sample on your seat frame was originally matt but is semi-gloss because it has been polished by the seat cover all these years. Original CMP paint is matt-matt-matt. I know a lot of restorers use semi-gloss because it stands up better than matt. Another tip while painting your CMP is to leave lots of drips and runs. That too is origin...

As to the colour, Mike is right, it's hard to tell from a digital photo. For what it's worth, it appears to be 'khaki'. A 1944 CMP 'should' be 'Canadian' olive drab (Not, US O.D. Mike is matching the Canadian colour as we speak). I've had three or four 1944 Chevs that clearly were 'Khaki No.3' which by the book shouldn't be. Another thing to consider is that not all the part on a CMP were necessarily the same colour. Parts like seats, running boards, etc. were often assembled in the factory from a stockpile of the 'old colour' parts, or added later to the truck.

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #8 29-03-10, 03:33

Mike, I've managed to use a bit of that matt SCC2 Brown I got from you at the Acton Show. WOW!! It's the right colour, appearance, applies well, and the price...well...WOW!!

Yes, that is the paint for anyone doing a 'brown' CMP. I look forward to getting the khaki and 'stone' next.

rob love · #9 29-03-10, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

Mike, I've managed to use a bit of that matt SCC2 Brown I got from you at the Acton Show. WOW!! It's the right colour, appearance, applies well, and the price...well...WOW!!

Yes, that is the paint for anyone doing a 'brown' CMP. I look forward to getting the khaki and 'stone' next.

A post like that is useless without a photo.

Mike Timoshyk · #10 01-04-10, 03:00

Here is a pic of the brown paint Bruce was talking about....it is made by MacDonald and White in Windsor..

cheers

Mike

Jordan Baker · #11 01-04-10, 03:08

I can vouch for the accuracy of the SCC2 paint. This stuff is bang on and is dead flat.

I can't wait to get my hands on some gallons of it for my truck.

Brian Gough · #12 01-04-10, 03:21

Mike,

Is that the colour that Macdonald & White calls "Olive Drab S.G. Enamel BB 8194" ?

Brian