Early Carrier engines

Philliphastings · #1 25-05-10, 07:08

Greetings all, for a while I have been scratching my head over what was the correct original engine for the Mk1 Scout.

I recently obtained a reprint manual for the Scout, dated 1939 and it states inj black and white that the water pumps were mounted to the heads on the carrier's engin.

I have located what I believed was my carrier's engine but the early pattern head-mounted water pumps confused me so I haven't brought it home yet.

Does anyone have a definative answer on this ?

I am, at the moment looking at either recovering the early pattern 21 stud block with single row pulleys on the water pumps, or a 21 stud engine which had double row pulleys and pumps in the front of the block, or a traditional (and later spec) 'Mercury" 24 stud engine from an Australian LP carrier.

All of the above will need a comprehensive rebuil but I want to get it as 'right as I can so would appreciate any advice...

Cheers

Phill

Philliphastings · #2 25-05-10, 07:11

Another detail question. According to the 1939 dated manual for the Mk1 Scout Carrier there were only three instruments fitted (as well as the speedometer). Does this mean there was NO extension on the lower vertical face of the instrument panel?

Does anyone know if the early british instrument panel resembled the canadian Mk1 dash?

Cheers

Phill

kevin powles · #3 25-05-10, 14:29

Hi, Phil in a thread for carrier dashers i put up a couple of pictures of the dash you need, I will try and locate it later, have you the Chigwell British carrier manual if so in there is a picture of the dash, if not send us your address and i will send you a copy on cd.

kevin.

cletrac (RIP) · #4 25-05-10, 16:31

The last flatheads with the water pumps in the heads (21 studs) were produced in 1937. Then they came out with the 221 cube version (24 studs) with the pumps in the block and made it until 1942. The Mercury engine (239 cubes) was introduced in 1939 and by 1943 the 221 was dropped. Of course this doesn't mean that the military couldn't have used the 21 stud in the Scout.

Philliphastings · #5 26-05-10, 05:32

Back to the manual and it not only specifies the head-mounted water pumps, but also clearly shows them in the cut away diagram of the engine block.

Being a british Mk1 Scout, which is of the earlier generation as to the Mk1 Universals, I am now convinced that the 21 stud engine was used with the head mounted pumps afterall.

Thanks for the feedback Kevin by the way. I do have that manual but I suspect the very early instruments on mine were slightly different again. My manual makes NO mention of a temperature gauge whatsoever, in fact it doesn't even mention the oil cooler although one is fitted.

Cheers

Phill

Aidan · #6 26-05-10, 10:12

was the wiring all Lucas?, Aidan

Grant Bowker · #7 26-05-10, 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philliphastings

Back to the manual .......clearly shows them in the cut away diagram of the engine block.

I don't guarantee that Ford did it too, but I am certain that Chevrolet used some of the diagrams from pre-war civilian parts manuals in making CMP parts manuals and some of the photos in the maintenance manuals look extremely similar to those seen in pre-war maintenance manuals. After all, if they were using carry-over parts why retake the photos just to be different?