Carrier stencilling

shaun · #1 07-06-13, 22:33

I'm busy at the moment overhauling a No2 MK2* . It's not a full rebuild more a strip clean and paint. After removing years of paint by previous owners I was really surprised to get down to original paint from the factory with stencilling. As I was taking the vehicle apart it struck me it had never really been apart before. I think it may be one of the much roumered carriers "straight out of the crate" from the 1970s.

shaun · #2 07-06-13, 22:39

And another one

Last one for now

Michael R. · #3 08-06-13, 00:48

Looks good Shaun ... there is a stencil thread with a few MKII* stencil patterns, including the tool and spares stowage boxes. Bruce Harris started the stencil thread last year.

B. Harris · #4 08-06-13, 03:41

Shaun...Very nice pics...Very similar to ones I have seen over the years that others and myself have posted.

Please contiue to post as you find them, and please PM me for some tips on where to look for others that may still be hidden!

Cheers,
Bruce

eddy8men · #5 08-06-13, 10:52

thanks for posting the pics, it's nice to original markings.

rick

shaun · #6 08-06-13, 23:12

Hi Bruce, im not sure i have posted these before . these are images from over carriers i have or have worked on.

Ian Mastin · #7 14-06-13, 02:12

Hi Shaun,

Great looking carrier you've got and also to uncover most of the original marking's

Unsure if you know about this web site but have a look at it! it may help you! special with the yellow circle on the front gaurd.
www.axholmesigns.co.uk
I found it when I was looking for British marking's that are on my Fordson WOT2-H, as you can see via the photo on the passenger door and the Driver's side front gaurd it has the yellow square with the number 14 marked inside it.

The web site state it represrents "B" Squadron unsure what that means maybe you shed some light on it for me Shaun.

Kind regards
Ian

David Dunlop · #8 14-06-13, 02:53

Gentlemen.

I have a collection of Ford of Canada production photos taken at Windsor, Ontario during production of the UC Carrier and Windsor. When these vehicles rolled out of the factory, all the Kit Stowage points were identified on the Carrier with white on clear water transfer decals. These are easily identified by the solid white letters and in some cases by the light reflecting from the clear transfer film.

The only painted stencils Ford applied to the Carriers on completion were the 'SLING HERE' markings on the front plate and rear deck, adjacent to the lifting rings.

Once these vehicles were in service, general wear and tear took it's toll on the factory original decals and, as needed, the Army reapplied the markings using painted stencils, typically about twice as large a font as the original decals.

When I was at Bill Gregg's Convention many years ago, Bill showed me one of the Ford Lynx Scout Cars he had brought back from Europe. It too had several surviving white on clear stowage location decals still visible both in and outside the vehicle.

I think also, CM used black on clear stowage location stencils on the inside of the Staghound Armoured Car at the factory.

David

Michael R. · #9 14-06-13, 03:36

Wow ! David, can you please post some of the Ford factory images of these transfers? That would be a good contribution.
Some of the Dr. Gregg collection Lynx too! Is that the same Lynx that Rob L. looks after in the Shilo museum, the Lynx that was returned from Portugal?

RE: I have a collection of Ford of Canada production photos taken at Windsor, Ontario during production of the UC Carrier and Windsor. When these vehicles rolled out of the factory, all the Kit Stowage points were identified on the Carrier with white on clear water transfer decals. These are easily identified by the solid white letters and in some cases by the light reflecting from the clear transfer film.

Is there any chance the original lettering may have been white paint, with a clear coat of a shellac like material over them?
Here is an image from a portion of the BREN spare barrel & accessories stencil as found inside the lid. A survivor of a few service performed repaints.

If there is one thing I am pretty sure of, it is that there is seldom "the only way" of anything associated to the production of these vehicles. Not too much room for "always" and "never"?

rob love · #10 14-06-13, 04:23

Gord Falks mk2 carrier has the remnants of the kit stowage stencils. Perhaps if Gord is lurking here he could supply some photos.

Bruce Parker (RIP) · #11 14-06-13, 05:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob love

Gord Falks mk2 carrier has the remnants of the kit stowage stencils. Perhaps if Gord is lurking here he could supply some photos.

I'm starting to be content I have a Mk.1* and not a Mk.II* carrier. It seems like there would have to be a whole lot of additional stenciling/decal-ling to make it 'right'.

I find the use of water transfer decals interesting. Other WW2 Canadian AFV's used a screened or printed lettering.

shaun · #12 14-06-13, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Dunlop

Gentlemen.

I have a collection of Ford of Canada production photos taken at Windsor, Ontario during production of the UC Carrier and Windsor. When these vehicles rolled out of the factory, all the Kit Stowage points were identified on the Carrier with white on clear water transfer decals. These are easily identified by the solid white letters and in some cases by the light reflecting from the clear transfer film.

The only painted stencils Ford applied to the Carriers on completion were the 'SLING HERE' markings on the front plate and rear deck, adjacent to the lifting rings.

Once these vehicles were in service, general wear and tear took it's toll on the factory original decals and, as needed, the Army reapplied the markings using painted stencils, typically about twice as large a font as the original decals.

When I was at Bill Gregg's Convention many years ago, Bill showed me one of the Ford Lynx Scout Cars he had brought back from Europe. It too had several surviving white on clear stowage location decals still visible both in and outside the vehicle.

I think also, CM used black on clear stowage location stencils on the inside of the Staghound Armoured Car at the factory.

David

David, it would be great to see any carrier related images you have .

I now strongly believe ( having seen a few carriers over the years) the stencil I have been finding were applied at the factory. All the other images others have been posting are all to uniform to have been done at unit level.

David Dunlop · #13 14-06-13, 16:08

Hi Shaun.

I will dig them up and see what I can do. They are large format photos, so I will likely have to fiddle with scan/cropping them to work well in the thread.

Cheers for now,

David

B. Harris · #14 15-06-13, 22:23

Not seen very often..
Tripod and cover

Harris...

shaun · #15 14-06-13, 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Mastin

Hi Shaun,

Great looking carrier you've got and also to uncover most of the original marking's

Unsure if you know about this web site but have a look at it! it may help you! special with the yellow circle on the front gaurd.
www.axholmesigns.co.uk
I found it when I was looking for British marking's that are on my Fordson WOT2-H, as you can see via the photo on the passenger door and the Driver's side front gaurd it has the yellow square with the number 14 marked inside it.

The web site state it represrents "B" Squadron unsure what that means maybe you shell some light on it for me Shaun.

Kind regards
Ian

Ian, the square does mean either "B" squadron/company. The same markings are still in use today in the British army. The "14" is the call sign. Thanks for the link .