Lynx scout car wiring problems (Ford)

[lynx42]

Thank you Peter Duggan for your lead to a new resistance/circuit box unit for my Canadian FORD lynx. The new old stock unit arrived today and I am rapt. I had tried to rebuild the 1943 unit without complete success.

I am in need of help to work out what goes where.

The Ford Lynx runs 3 different voltages. 12vols for the starter, generator, lights and radios from 2 x 6volt batteries. The resistance block then reduces the voltage to 6 volts for the gauges etc and then the voltage is further reduced to 4.6volts for the coil.

This is the wiring diagram from the manual which does not give a clear direction to or from the actual resistance/circuit breaker unit

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This is the box as it arrived.

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This is the sealed waxed paper wrapping.

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The unit in 2016 air.

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The complete unit.

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In the next post I will explain my problem.

Thanks Rick.

[lynx42]

This is the old circuit breaker, which I had marked the wires for easy re-connection but it has been quite s few years (like 30) and I do not have it correct.

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This is the 12volt to 6 volt resistance coil.

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This is the resistance from 6 volts to 4.6 volts for the coil.

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What I do not understand is that the mounting bolts earth out the resistance as the mounting bolt goes through the casing of the coil cover which is on an insulated block. How does this work or am I missing something as I an not an electrical engineer.

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The current comes off the 6 volt resistance coil via a metal strip which links the two further coil voltage reducers to the mounting bolt which goes to earth.

Would that not cause a short circuit?

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Thanks for your help.

Regards Rick

[Peter Duggan]

Rick,

Glad that your circuit breaker assembly showed up in such good shape. I will offer my two cents worth, but recognize that my electrical knowledge is even more limited.

The schematics for the Lynx 11 show only one connection on the right hand side of the circuit, and that is for wire 20, which is for the temperature gauge. And that connection appears to be to the second terminal from the top. For the mounting bolt on the upper right hand corner, I simply started it under the top plate, avoiding any short circuit possibility.

I was going to wait until I had the opportunity to visit and view the Lynx 11 at the Canadian War Museum and confirm my assumption. Also hoping that Rob Love may pipe up and offer his thoughts based on his knowledge and access to the Lynx in Shilo.

Glad that you spoke up, my assumptions are just that, assumptions.

Peter

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[rob love]

I'm looking at the resiter package on ours now and it has the screw in the top corner. No idea why it does not ground.

It is wire no 22 for the temp gauge according to my manual. Wire 20 is for the LH fuel sending unit to the fuel gauge switch.

I have a job on the go today, but hopefully I'll find some time in the next day or two to pull the guard and do some circuit checking. My wire 22 is coming from the right side of the circuit divider. I should think the coil would be what came off the small resister.

When I re-wired the lynx, I remember thinking it was funny that they ran 12 volts from the engine compartment all the way up to the dash, to then run the 12 volts back to the divider and then run it back up to the front again and twice at that. Once for the 6 volt electrical gauge, and once for the remainder of the gauges. I am running a 12 volt gauge so have the one extra wire tied off at the divider unit.

I note that where your wire 20 (22?) comes off the resister now, it might as well be off the screw one lower. There is no voltage drop from the bottom resister to the terminal that wire is coming from. If the mounting screw was fastened to the top corner and grounded out, it would merely burn out the top resister....it would not effect the voltage at the first terminal. Of course, the race would be what burns out first...the top resister, the bottom resister, the circuit breaker, or some piece of wiring.

More to follow.

[Colin Alford]

Gents,

I am certainly not an electrical engineer and unlike the three of you, I have never even touched a Ford Lynx.

I do however have access to SC-F3 and a few months ago I was seriously studying the wiring diagrams to help diagnose a "no power to coil" issue in a Windsor Carrier which uses many of the same electrical components.

I am surprised that there appear to be so many different versions of the wiring diagram. It appears that Peter's image is the same as that on page N-1 of SC-F3 so I presume that it is his source. Rob/Rick - What manuals are you referencing?

I have attached a few images from SC-F3 but I find that I struggle trying to get decent resolution in the images but keep them small enough to attach to a post.

On page N-2 of SC-F3 there is a second wiring diagram that I think will be most useful to this conversation. This type of diagram probably has a proper name but of interest is that it shows the voltages, resistances and grounding points.

It shows a ground point at the 6 volt side of the voltage divider. Is this the proof to alleviate Rick's concern about a potential short circuit caused by the mounting bolt passing through the top end of the voltage divider? (again I am not an electrical engineer and understand Rick's concern)

Page N-3 has an image of the voltage divider in-situ in the vehicle and should help determine which wire connects to which terminal.

I have also included a close-up of the circuit breaker/voltage divider and the other half of the legend from the diagram on page N-1 of SC-F3 to complement Peter's images

If any of you would like higher resolution pictures please send a PM with your email address and I can send them to you

[Mike K]

Rick

I think you have misunderstood the circuit . If you study the wiring diagram, the coil 4 Volts feed comes off the larger resistor . The smaller resistors feed the instruments . Mike

[Tony Wheeler]

Originally Posted by lynx42

What I do not understand is that the mounting bolts earth out the resistance as the mounting bolt goes through the casing of the coil cover which is on an insulated block.....Would that not cause a short circuit?

Never fear Rick, your prized NOS unit will not go up in smoke! Those paired resistors are not ordinary ignition resistors. If you look closely you'll see they use much longer wire, which means far greater resistance. That limits the current flowing to earth. For example, if each one is 10 ohm, the total resistance is 20 ohm, which means the current flowing to earth will be a tiny 0.6 amps (V = IR gives 12 = 0.6 x 20). Of course, as the voltage drops evenly from 12V to zero, you can tap off halfway to get 6V.

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