Matt Paint availability?

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

It seems you can no longer get matt paint in Ontario because of new regulations prohibiting oil based paint (except for licensed users which means private people are effectively out of luck), and water based paint doesn't come in matt.

Semi gloss water based paints can be colour matched and are fine for some applications but to do a WW2 CMP in the correct chalky matt seems no longer possible, at least here in Ontario.

Does anybody know the details of this ban? Is it really what I am thinking?

If there is a ban, is it only in Ontario or Canada wide?

Is is legal to import oil based paint from the USA or will it be stopped at the border as a 'controlled substance' needing some special permit?

Is there a home made additive that might matt a semi-gloss water based paint?

FINGER PRINTS AND ALL....I WANT MY MATT PAINT!!!

[rob love]

I believe it is automotive paint that has to be water based. Equipment paint is still fine. Brian Asbury has the Cdn olive drab and the semi gloss Cdn olive. If you add about 25% red oxide nprimer to the Cdn olive drab, you will get just about the perfect CMP colour: that magic shade that looks Brown, no green, no brown...

I bring the Gillespie stuff thru customs all the time and have never had an issue yet. Don't use the term automotive paint.

I remember talking to one of the vendors at the MVPA convention a few years back, and after our discussion, he was going to delete the word "vehicle" from his cans as he would not be able to export to Canada.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by rob love

I believe it is automotive paint that has to be water based. Equipment paint is still fine. Brian Asbury has the Cdn olive drab and the semi gloss Cdn olive. If you add about 25% red oxide nprimer to the Cdn olive drab, you will get just about the perfect CMP colour: that magic shade that looks Brown, no green, no brown...

I bring the Gillespie stuff thru customs all the time and have never had an issue yet. Don't use the term automotive paint.

I remember talking to one of the vendors at the MVPA convention a few years back, and after our discussion, he was going to delete the word "vehicle" from his cans as he would not be able to export to Canada.

Thanks Rob. I think the term you're looking for is either dog turd or baby ka-ka.

I'll need the khaki as well but my immediate need is for No.2 Brown, dead matt and I have good colour swatches to match from. Is there a paint brand in Canada (or even the USA that matter) that will match and sell a decent equipment paint? In the past I used Sherwin Williams industrial paint until it went silly expensive then McDonald White in Windsor who no longer sells oil based paint.

[Eric B]

Hello

The Cold War Collection in the Ottawa area uses water based paints exclusively, which are all matt.

I have also been told that the automotive water based paint comes flat and that it is the clear coat on top which makes it shinny.

There is also a flat clear coat which can be applied on top of the matt paint. Do not know if it will work on top of shinny oil based paint.

I will see if I can get a make, source and approx. price.

If you need semi gloss/gloss oil based paints you can still get them from Home Hardware.

They matched my M38A1 CDN2 paint from an original part. There is some dust on top and it is a little shinier than the original but it will dull once outside. This is a very close match to the Aervoe semi-gloss Olive Drab. I will have to look up the can number when I am back with the jeep.

Eric

[Bob Carriere]

I need to repaint the floor of my large enclosed deck....... previously painted Grey with special deck/veranda oil based paint. Now I find out that all household paint in Canada is water base ONLY....... and the water base paint will not adhere to oil paint unless the floor is sanded and or primed...... 3 times the work and twice the cost.

Some searching shows that equipment (farm) oil paint is still available from TSC and Canadian Tire........ Tremclade is still available in oil and now in water based but you have to settle for existing color mix. CTC also sells Armour Coat oil based paint as a house brand....... and if you find a large enough CTC and a competent sales clerk....... they can mix Armour Coat to any shade available in the Premier Paint line they sell....comes in light and dark base shade and mixed the traditional way. I am now aware of any flat shades but they do have semigloss.

Years ago when we painted M37 with our own mix of Tremclad we used plain old gasoline as a reducer and it produced a nice semigloss shade that gradually faded to almost flat.

So back to my deck, I need to get 4 gallons of Terracota red which they will mix for me...... but the advice of the CTC paint guy was to bring my wife to select what shade of terracotta she really wants.......

Now milk paint is available from Toronto suppliers but is only suitable for new wooden surfaces but very durable.

I have been told that most of the states have also banned oil based paint for household paint but that Vermont has not enacted the ban YET.....

Most of the military paints available in flat from the States are still available .... the issue is what do you declare at the border crossing and shipping commercially maybe an issue for the future.

We may have to come up with our own mixing formula using basic red, blue, yellow and make sure the red is Red Oxide to get a semi gloss/semi flat finish if the US suppliers dry up.

I am not sure if the automotive water based paint, without the top clear coat, is adequate to seal the metal from water....... current red oxide, also flat grey and black primers will allow surface rust bloom to occur if not sealed with a top coat.

Choice of words is a short term solution to get around legal issues.... for example POR 15 is defined as a "coating" not a paint...... and at least so far, farm equipment oil paint, is still available.

Cheers

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Thanks Bob. No matter how you cut it, it's going to get a lot harder and more expensive to find the right paint...IF you can find the right paint at all.

Now that I'm in a griping mood, I'll mention It's getting equally hard to find linoleum for vehicle floors and table tops, slot headed screws, 9:00x 16 tires, the right weight and shade of canvas, shops that have any idea how to turn drums and reline brake shoes or parts counter staff that will give you the time of day if your vehicle can't be found in their computer system, which odds are it can't.

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

I need to repaint the floor of my large enclosed deck....... previously painted Grey with special deck/veranda oil based paint. Now I find out that all household paint in Canada is water base ONLY....... and the water base paint will not adhere to oil paint unless the floor is sanded and or primed...... 3 times the work and twice the cost.

Some searching shows that equipment (farm) oil paint is still available from TSC and Canadian Tire........ Tremclade is still available in oil and now in water based but you have to settle for existing color mix. CTC also sells Armour Coat oil based paint as a house brand....... and if you find a large enough CTC and a competent sales clerk....... they can mix Armour Coat to any shade available in the Premier Paint line they sell....comes in light and dark base shade and mixed the traditional way. I am now aware of any flat shades but they do have semigloss.

Years ago when we painted M37 with our own mix of Tremclad we used plain old gasoline as a reducer and it produced a nice semigloss shade that gradually faded to almost flat.

So back to my deck, I need to get 4 gallons of Terracota red which they will mix for me...... but the advice of the CTC paint guy was to bring my wife to select what shade of terracotta she really wants.......

Now milk paint is available from Toronto suppliers but is only suitable for new wooden surfaces but very durable.

I have been told that most of the states have also banned oil based paint for household paint but that Vermont has not enacted the ban YET.....

Most of the military paints available in flat from the States are still available .... the issue is what do you declare at the border crossing and shipping commercially maybe an issue for the future.

We may have to come up with our own mixing formula using basic red, blue, yellow and make sure the red is Red Oxide to get a semi gloss/semi flat finish if the US suppliers dry up.

I am not sure if the automotive water based paint, without the top clear coat, is adequate to seal the metal from water....... current red oxide, also flat grey and black primers will allow surface rust bloom to occur if not sealed with a top coat.

Choice of words is a short term solution to get around legal issues.... for example POR 15 is defined as a "coating" not a paint...... and at least so far, farm equipment oil paint, is still available.

Cheers