LCT's and Juno Beach

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[Jordan Baker]

I remember seeing such a list but can't remember where it was or who had it. I did find this previous posting about Landing Craft at Juno. There is also a website about LST and such.

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...hlight=landing

http://www.combinedops.com/LCT_PAGE.htm#Juno%20Beach

[Tony Viste]

According to the loading tables on the 9 Cdn Inf Bde microfilm (T-12331) the following LCT's & LST's carried the Nth NS Highrs transport.

LCT(IV) serial 1713 to land H+180
2 - Carrier Mortar
5 - Carrier Univ
2 - Carrier Towing
2 - 6 pr A/Tk guns
2 - 15 cwt GS
2 - 3 ton Lorry GS
1 - 3 ton Lorry Med

LCT(IV) serial 1714 to land H+180
7 - Carrier Univ
2 - Carrier Mortar
2 - Carrier Towing
2 - 6 pr A/Tk guns
1 - 3 ton Lorry GS

LCT(IV) serial 1716 to land H+180
2 - Carrier Mortar
6 - Carrier Univ
2 - Carrier Towing
2 - 6 pr A/Tk guns
1 - 15 cwt GS
1 - 3 ton Lorry GS

LST(2) serial 1740 to land H+4 hrs
1 - 3 ton Lorry GS
1 - Carrier Mortar

LST(2) serial 1741 to land H+4 hrs
4 - 3 ton Lorry GS

LST(2) serial 1743 to land H+7 hrs
1 - 3 ton Lorry GS
1 - 15 cwt Water

There were of course other units also on these craft, this is just whats listed for the Nth NS Highrs. These loading tables were dated 2 May 44.

Hope this helps,
Tony Viste

[klambie]

As alluded to here and well described on the previous MLU thread, most of the documents that people have uncovered refer to the generic serials of various landing craft, but not to their actual penant numbers (if that is the correct term). Has anyone ever come across any documentation that comprehensively connects the serials shown in the various landing tables to an actual LCT number (or LSI number or any other type of craft)?

I've looked at a variety of primary and secondary sources (mostly dealing with Neptune specifically) for such information without success. I've come across occasional connections (like LCT 610 in the previous thread), but suspect these are usually accidental connections, based on a lucky mention in another account. I assume that someone must have assigned six 'named' LCT/LST's to carry the NNSH transport, but where would that have been recorded? If that level of detail was not maintained, even connections between a particular flotilla (for which penant numbers seem to be locatable) and a set of serials would be useful. I look forward to any education/advice anyone can provide on these assumptions.

I'm specifically looking for the craft associated with the Regina Rifles, but these kinds of requests seem to pop up for a variety of units.

[RichTO90]

Originally posted by klambie
As alluded to here and well described on the previous MLU thread, most of the documents that people have uncovered refer to the generic serials of various landing craft, but not to their actual penant numbers (if that is the correct term). Has anyone ever come across any documentation that comprehensively connects the serials shown in the various landing tables to an actual LCT number (or LSI number or any other type of craft)?

I've looked at a variety of primary and secondary sources (mostly dealing with Neptune specifically) for such information without success. I've come across occasional connections (like LCT 610 in the previous thread), but suspect these are usually accidental connections, based on a lucky mention in another account. I assume that someone must have assigned six 'named' LCT/LST's to carry the NNSH transport, but where would that have been recorded? If that level of detail was not maintained, even connections between a particular flotilla (for which penant numbers seem to be locatable) and a set of serials would be useful. I look forward to any education/advice anyone can provide on these assumptions.

I'm specifically looking for the craft associated with the Regina Rifles, but these kinds of requests seem to pop up for a variety of units.

Unfortunately JUNO is the only beach where that information truly is lacking. Here is what I have on the landing serials and the id's I've found for some of the craft:

Under Command Force J:

159th BYMS Flotilla: BYMS 2211 (F), 2032, 2052, 2055, 2070, 2071, 2157, and 2173
(1 or 2 Motor-Minesweeping Flotillas)
(144 LCA, 146 LCT and LCT (A))

Group J.301 (Force Flag):
Force Flagship:
LSH (L) HMS Hilary
Escort:
DD: HMCS Algonquin (attached from Force E)
Commando Force:
202nd LCI (S) Flotilla: LCI (S) 525 (F) (9 others)
Dispatch Boats:
MTB 328 (engine failure, returned to Portsmouth) and 344
CMB 103
LCS (L) 254 (escort Hilary), 255 (MIKE Sector) and 257 (NAN Sector)
(1 USCG Cutter)

Landing Group J-1 (7th Canadian Infantry Brigade Group) MIKE RED/NAN GREEN Beach:
‘K’ LCT Squadron
331st Support Flotilla, Group 1

Group J.310 (a) Minesweepers:
9th Minesweeping Flotilla: (JUNO) Bangor Class MS HMS Sidmouth (F), Tenby, Bangor, Blackpool, Bridlington, Bridport, Eastbourne and Boston, Danlayers (MS Trawlers) HMS Bryher, Ijuin,
Dalmatia, Sigma, M/S ML 185, 222, 571, and HDML 1393
1st Division, 159th BYMS Flotilla: (4 BYMS)

Group J.310 (b) Attached Destroyers (from Force E):
DD: HMS Faulknor and Fury

Group J.311 DD Tanks:
COPP 1:
HM M/S X-20 (Navigation)
LCH 168 (F)
ML 902
4th LCT Flotilla: (7 LCT III, LCT III 413 broke down and did not make passage) (DD Tanks)
LCP (SY) 190 and 292
LCP (L) 134, 178 and 202
705th LCP (L) Flotilla: (6 LCP (L)) (Smokers)
LCF 1

Group J.312 AVRE and LCT (A):
LCH 98 (F)
ML 246 and 297
102nd LCT Flotilla:
(10 LCT V) 26th Assault Squadron, RE (25 AVRE, 2 ARV, and 4 D-7 (armored) bulldozer), B Squadron, 22 Dragoons (part) (9 Crabs)
105th LCT (A) Flotilla (3rd Battery, 2nd RM Armour Support Rgt):
LCT (A) 2010, 2120, 2263, and 2428 (broke down and sank on passage)
LCT (HE) 2051, 2078, 2240, and 2313
LCT (CB) 2041
(3 LCM)
LCF 33 and 37
LCG (L) 831, 1007 and 1062
703rd LCP (L) Flotilla
Group 1, 590th LCA (HR) Flotilla (9 LCA (HR), only 1 arrived)
(2 LCM (towed))

Group J.313 SP Artillery:
ODD (V&W LR Class): HMS Wrestler (mined during passage)
LCS (L) 202 and 203
1st Division, 320th LCT (R) Flotilla: 359, 367, 405, and 437
31st LCT Flotilla:
ML 151 (F)
LCS (M) 44 and 89
(6 LCT V) 12th Field Rgt RCA
ML 146
LCS (M) 47 and 107
(6 LCT V) 13th Field Rgt RCA
(3 LCT V)

Group J.314 LSI (1st and 2nd Divisions):
Frigate: HMS Lawford (F) (ex-USN DE 516)
1st LSI Division:
HMS Invicta (510th LCA Flotilla)
SS Isle of Thanet
SS Mecklenberg
HMCS Prince Henry (528th LCA Flotilla: 736, 850, 856, 925, 1021 (snk), 1033, 1371, and 1372 (snk 7 Jun)) (Canadian Scottish)
SS Duke of Argyll
2nd LSI Division:
HMS Ulster Monarch
SS Canterbury
SS Laird’s Isle
SS Llangibby Castle
HMS Queen Emma
MGB 312, 316 and 324
(2 USCG Cutter)
Escorts (attached from Force E):
DD: Venus
DE (Hunt Class): HMS Stevenstone and FFN La Combattante

Group J.315 Priority Vehicles:
LCI (L) 117 RCN (2 LCI (L))
ML 205
20th LCT Flotilla: (7 LCT)
36th LCT Flotilla: (5 LCT)

Landing Group J-2 (8th Canadian Infantry Brigade Group) NAN WHITE/NAN RED Beach:
‘N’ LCT Squadron
331st Support Flotilla, Group 2

Minesweeping Group J.320 (a):
7th Minesweeping Flotilla: (Algerine Class MS) HMS Pelorus (F), Recruit, Fancy, Lennox, Pickle, Pincher, Plucky, and Rifleman, Danlayers (MS Trawlers) HMS Farne, Stella Rigel, Stella Leonis, St Barde,
M/S ML 138, 139, and 208, and HDML 1407
2nd Division, 159th BYMS Flotilla: (4 BYMS)

Group J.320 (b) Attached Destroyers (from Force E):
DD: HMS Vigilant and HMCS Sioux

Group J.321 DD Tanks:
LCH 239 (F)
ML 903
11th LCT Flotilla:
1st Division (B Sqn, 10th CAR):
LCT III 318, 324, 341, and 384
2nd Division (C Sqn, 10th CAR):
LCT III 313, 317, 354, and 383
LCP (SY) 290
LCP (L) 167, 172, 179, and 196
702nd LCP (L) Flotilla (12 LCP (L)) (Smokers)

Group J.322 AVRE and LCT (A):
LCH 167
103rd LCT (A) Flotilla (4th Battery, 2nd RM Armour Support Rgt):
LCT (A) 2009, 2014, 2283 (abn), and 2455 (RM Centaurs and Shermans)
LCT (HE) 2150, 2234, 2240, and 2306 (RM Centaurs and Shermans, OCU and bulldozers)
LCT (CB) 2338 (10th CAR Fireflies)
106th LCT Flotilla:
ML 123 (F)
1st Division:
LCT V 2193, 2286, 2436, and 2441
2nd Division:
LCT V 2013, 238, 2289, and 2479
3rd Division (Priority Vehicles and 262nd Fld Co RE):
LCT V 2230 and 2232
LCM (towed) 1145, 1179 and 1200
80th Assault Squadron RE (21 AVRE, 3 ARV and 4 D-7 (armored) bulldozers), B Squadron, 22nd Dragoons (part) (11 Crabs)
LCG (L) 680, 681, 764, and 939
LCF 21 and 32
Group 2, 590th LCA (HR) Flotilla (9 LCA (HR) all arrived)
(2 LCM (towed))

Group J.323 SP Artillery:
DD: HMS Beagle
2nd Division, 320th LCT (R) Flotilla: 337, 363, 378, and 398
LCS (L) 204 and 205
22nd LCT Flotilla:
ML 198
LCS (M) 83 and 103
(6 LCT V) 14th Field Rgt RCA
ML 147
LCS (M) 101 and 105
(6 LCT V) 19th Field Rgt RCA
(3 LCT V)

Group J.324 LSI (3rd and 4th Divisions):
Frigate (River Class): HMS Waveney (F)
3rd LSI Division:
HMS Brigadier
SS Clan Lamont
HMS St. Helier
Lady of Mann
4th Division:
Duke of Wellington
SS Monowai
Isle of Guernsey
HMCS Prince David (529 LCA Flotilla: 985, 1059, 1137, 1138, 1150, 1151, and 1375,
LCS (M) 101 (all except 1375 snk) (le Régiment de la Chaudiére)
MGB 317, 326 and 330
(2 USCG Cutter)
Escorts (attached from Force E):
DD: Kempenfelt
DE (Hunt): HMS Bleasdale and HNMS Glaisdale

Group J.325 Priority Vehicles (10th CAR):
ML 269
30th LCT Flotilla:
36th LCT Flotilla:
(LCT IV 541, 932, 934 and four others)

Reserve Group J-3 (9th Canadian Infantry Brigade Group):
2nd LST Flotilla
4th LST Flotilla
9th LST Flotilla
‘P’ LCT Squadron

Group J.331:
ML 247
LSI (H): HMS Royal Ulsterman
LCT IV 670, 671, 761 (17 LCT IV)
(4 LCT III) (Stores, 2 for J-1 and 2 for J-2)
262nd Canadian LCI Flotilla: LCI (L) 115, 118, 125, 135, 250, 252, 262, 263, 270, 276, 299, and 306
LCF 24 and 29
LCT (R) 125 (reloads for LCT (R))
(2 USCG Cutter)
Tug: HMT Darthema
ODD (V&W LR Class): HMS Versatile

Group J.332 (LST):
LST 215 (F), 8, 62, 65, 159, 160, 180, 199, 238, 239, 416, and 421
(towing 12 RHF and RHT, all arrived)
ML 237
MH Stevens (Fireboat)
Corvette: HMS Petunia, Clarkia and Pink
A/S Trawler: HMT Northern Foam

Group J.333 (LST):
LST 425 (F), 80, 323, 401, 402, 404, 405, 409, 410, and 413
(towing 3 RHF (1 lost in passage), 11 RHT (7 lost in passage))
A/S Trawler: HMT Northern Sun, Northern Spray, Northern Pride, Middleton, and Lord Austin

[sapper740]

Originally posted by klambie
I'm specifically looking for the craft associated with the Regina Rifles, but these kinds of requests seem to pop up for a variety of units.

Hello Kevin. I'm not an expert on such things but perhaps I can narrow down the search for you. I recently completed Ken Ford's "JUNO BEACH" which is part of the Battle Zone Normandy series of books. On pages 36 and 37 he lists the Naval Craft which comprised Force J. Further, he has broken the list down to the individual Infantry Brigades, their ships and how many LCAs (LANDING CRAFT ASSAULT) were on each . Here is the list for the 7th Cdn. Inf. Bde.:

Headquarters: Lepe House, Exbury Capt. A.F. Pugsley

Assault group HQ Ship: HMS Lawford

LANDING SHIP INFANTRY (LARGE)---LSI(L)
MV Llangibby Castle 557th Assault Flotilla: 18-LCA

LANDING SHIP INFANTRY (MEDIUM)---LSI(M)
HMS Prince Henry 528th Assault Flotilla: 8-LCA
HMS Queen Emma 526th Assault Flotilla: 8-LCA

LANDING SHIP INFANTRY (HAND HOIST)---LSI(H)
SS Canterbury 509th Assault Flotilla: 6-LCA
SS Duke of Argyll 517th Assault Flotilla: 6-LCA
SS Invicta 510th Assault Flotilla: 6-LCA
SS Isle of Thanet 505th Assault Flotilla: 6-LCA
SS Lairds Isle 516th Assault Flotilla: 6-LCA
SS Mecklenburg 511th Assault Flotilla: 6-LCA
SS Ulster Monarch 521st Assault Flotilla: 5-LCA


So, the Regina Rifles had to be onboard one of these ships or craft. You can focus your search. Hope this info helps. Derek.

[klambie]

Thanks Derek. I picked up 'Juno Beach' in the last while too, so that list helped make a bit of progress from the top down. I know one Coy of the Reginas were on the Llangibby Castle (which LCA's would be a great find), but have had little luck with any of the other Coys. Will continue to keep an eye out for any related info for all Juno units.