Dutch CMP's in Java 1949

[wim sikkelbein]

http://picasaweb.google.nl/fkleinege...nJava19461949#

A fellow KTR-member posted these photos from his uncle who served with the Dutch army in Java, mostly cmp's also stuart tanks etc.

Wim

[Keith Webb]

Some great pictures there, thanks for the link, Wim

Can you tell us the meaning of "Groot Mokum"?

[Keith Webb]

At least for Chevrolet fans. What a significant album!

[wim sikkelbein]

Keith

groot mokum

great amsterdam

[Keith Webb]

I thought it was 'great' something.

And just to reiterate, what a great collection, well worth going through - the photographer was obviously a fan of CMPs, or just couldn't avoid them

Have a look at these two, part of a series of a C60L on fire, and another C60L mishap:

[Jordan Baker]

Nothing like having a CMP land on your doorstep.

[aj.lec]

makes them easier to grease when they are on the side

[nuyt]

Some great pics
Bombay Ford, another Ford, also Bombay?

[cliff]

Originally Posted by nuyt

Some great pics
Bombay Ford, another Ford, also Bombay?

3rd photo is a D series Dodge

[nuyt]

Thanks Cliff,
Dont know anything about Dodges, just when could the D-series have been delivered to the NEI? Already in 1941/42 or post 45?

[cliff]

Originally Posted by nuyt

Thanks Cliff,
Dont know anything about Dodges, just when could the D-series have been delivered to the NEI? Already in 1941/42 or post 45?

Not being knowledgeable about Dutch forces during or after the war but knowing that some units that escaped the fall of Java and what is now known as Indonesia fought with the Australian Forces during the war and they may have been issued with this type of truck at that stage but I am picking it was probably supplied post war from surplus stocks of either British or Indian Military equipment. The truck also looks more civilian then military as the front mudguards are not cut out and it has the civilian bumper with no brush guards. Perhaps it is a fairly new (post 1945) Civilian truck brought and used by the NEI?

[nuyt]

Thanks Cliff, that would be the most logical thing.
But the numberplate looks just a little too much like a prewar NEI numberplate, so I am "suspicious"

[cliff]

OK I saved the photo and played with it in Photoshop. Definately civilian as it has the chrome strips on the grill still but painted over. Cowl lights also point to an early 1940's vehicle rather then a late one plus the vehicle behind it in the convoy is the same type of Dodge. Hope this helps?

[lynx42]

Cliff, are you sure that the Dodge is not a FARGO?
Seems to have that look about it.
Rick

[cliff]

Originally Posted by lynx42

Cliff, are you sure that the Dodge is not a FARGO?
Seems to have that look about it.
Rick

Yes I thought about them being a Fargo as I used to own a 15cwt version the same as these BUT the Fargo had a globe with a wing (meant to look like a comet tail) behind it and it sat rather low down on top of the grill whereas the Dodge had a leaping ram which stuck up a fair bit as does the emblem on the front truck. However I have been known to be wrong before and as the Fargo was the export version of the Plymouth/Dodge truck and sold from Canada and the USA around the world to civilian markets they may be Fargo's and thus it would make more sense the NEI having them.

[cliff]

Here is a photo I got somewhere off the net of a 1939 Fargo front on. This is a lighter vehicle then the one shown in the NEI above but gives a good idea of the difference between Dodge and Fargo.

[nuyt]

Thanks.
Post 1945 both Dodge (Powerwagons) and Fargo trucks appeared in the NEI:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/33033...dependence+War

Back to our picture: what can be said about the cargo area, is that typical of some special year? And it seems the two following trucks have a triangular shape canvas cover in the back....

Kind regards,
Nuyt

[cliff]

Originally Posted by nuyt

Back to our picture: what can be said about the cargo area, is that typical of some special year? And it seems the two following trucks have a triangular shape canvas cover in the back....

Kind regards,
Nuyt

Most cargo beds of that era were locally made to requirements and the photo is too low res to really get a good look. There is a bar (pipe) that runs down the centre from front to back to hold the canvas then it just folds over the edge of the sides. This is used instead of the more usual tilt bows like on US and British Military trucks to hold the canvas up.

[cliff]

Here is two photos of Fords with similar type stake side beds. One even has the centre bar set up similar to the NEI Trucks. Both are early 1940's Fords so the bodies fit the early time period of 1939 to 1943/4

[nuyt]

great info Cliff!
tks
Nuyt

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Great link, Wim, thank for posting it!

Keith, the Dutch forces in Indonesia were equipped with a huge number of war-surplus CMPs, acquired both from the ex-Canadian stocks left in Holland as well as in-theatre transfers from the British/Indian Army.

Here´s a pic of a Chev C15 11 Cab in Indonesia: http://beeldbank.nationaalarchief.nl/na:col1:dat460922

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Here´s a pic of a Chev C15 11 Cab in Indonesia: http://beeldbank.nationaalarchief.nl/na:col1:dat460922

Here's another Cab 11 4x2 in Dutch service in Indonesia, shortly after WW2. Looks like it hit a mine, or "improvised explosive device (IED)" as we would call it today....